strict sites

[trev]

Well my kids never needed to be supervised by the nanny state and neither will my grandson or any that come along in the future mate.

 

[Rockingit]

Thing is, Health and Safety used to be something that people did for themselves and their mates because everyone wanted to go home in one piece. Then someone decided to turn it into a career path for others to do unto them. Big mistake.

 

[trev]

The bloke who invented all these cards and coursesmust be laughing his balls off. £40 for a test a monkey could pass then an extra £25 for a card with your photo on. Some sites insist on that CSCS crap even if you're holding an ECS.
Ladder use
Working at heights
Confined spaces. WT actual F!
Manual handling
Money for old rope and someone is making a bloody fortune.
I'm bloody glad I'm self employed.

 

[Guest55]

the idiots guide to pointless site safety training...............

confined spaces - i can sit in a hole without panicking - check
ladder awareness - i can stand 3 feet off the ground without breaking my neck - check
asbestos awareness - yes i am aware its unpleasant stuff - check
manual handling - dont bother , get the forklift / JCB / burly labourer to shift it - check

;-D

 

[Adam W]

Slightly off at a tangent I found this blog the other day.

Under 'things we never had and didn't miss' there was:

"3. Blame and claim culture

Did you chip a fingernail at work? Or did you sit down on the loo at work and momentarily experience discomfort because the loo seat was a bit cold? Even worse, did someone wilfully injure your feelings by calling you a 'div' at work? Sue those buggers! Phone our hotline now, and we'll get you millions of pounds!

Disclaimer – we will not get you millions of pounds. We will get you up to and including five hundred new pounds, of which we will take up to a hundred percent.

Everyone everywhere is scared of everything. Even I have days where I don't want to leave the house in case a meteor falls on my head, or in case a terrorist comes up and tries to do terror at me.

But when I was growing up, getting injured was not a career. It was a vocation, at best. We did not expect to have our clumsiness rewarded with money. That's what clowns and Eddie The Eagle were for.

Now, if you're short of money and don't want to ring WONGACASHNOW4U, you can simply claim you were tripped over by a member of Al Qaeda, or that someone looked at you funny, and all your financial problems will disappear!

Our equivalent – looking where you were going -
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You know what used to happen if you fell over in the street? Everyone would laugh at you. Certainly they wouldn't offer you money.

Of course, work accidents did happen, and they were generally quite serious, but back then people tried to avoid getting injured. They didn't like being injured, what with the pain and all. Getting injured was seen as a bad thing, not as an equivalent to winning the lottery.

When I was growing up, if you tripped over in the street you were unlucky, or a div. If you broke a nail or had your 'feelings injured' while at work, then you were a crybaby, and didn't deserve the job in the first place.

By the way, I wrote these last paragraphs on the toilet. Just thought you'd like to know."

 

[telectrix]

it's so bloody stupid. when i was a kid, we'd climb trees. we fell, got scrapes. end of. now we could sue the council for letting that tree grow there. the world has gone stupid.

 

[Knobhead]

The OP is testing on a plant he knows bugger all about and has the gall to complain about safety measures. If it’s the plant I’m thinking of their safety policy was based on the DuPont model.

 

[rompling]

H&S rules really get my bollo***
Only Ever became a must on site after ( I think ) the Hatfield rail disaster when directors of companies were Threatened with unlimited fines and prison
And lots of no win lawyers sucking the life out of the country
Looking after my interests yeh right ....
On the flip side there has been improvements but to me the best way is to implement your on H&S and then to sign a disclaimer
I have had to wear a hard hat when I have been the only person in a room working above 6ft and the people below have been ducking to miss my hard hat which kept falling off
Some many foreign " trades " on site nowdays you would have to shout fire in 7 languages !!

 

[rapparee]

There was a new fella in the factory one time, he forgot to wear his earplugs and he spied the hr officer walking up the floor towards him, he turned his back to the hr officer but alas it was too late he was spotted. The hr officer said "excuse me you're not wearing your earplugs, i need you to come to my office" the new fella weighed up his options, he didn't respond. The hr officer once again requested the new fella to come to her office, he stood on with his back to her not acknowleding her. The third time she was starting to get cross and tugged on his sleeve and shouted at him. He spun round to face her and then proceeded to mimick a deaf persons accent and tell her he couldnt hear what she was saying and make up a false hand gestures imitating sign language. The hr officer recoiled in horror apologised and fled back to her office, the rest of the boys fell about the place laughing and called the new fella a bad bas..... etc etc

 

[Dean Williams]

the site i know bugger all about is Runcorn TPS and its my first experience of such measures!

 

[Robotstar5]

Strictest site I've been on was BNFL (British Nuclear Fuels Ltd) near Preston?, I had to wait at security while my car and toolboxes were checked, then accompanied all the time I was on site fixing their robot.
The funniest part was when I had finished and put my gear back in the car, the bloke who had accompanied me just said the front gate's that way, off you go and when I got to the gate, security just waved me through, I could have had anything in the car!.

 

[7029 dave]

Went on site last week, 5 new connections, signed in, Forman do you have ses blah blah no says I, is that an problem, because if it is I am off, no worries fella come on do what you need to do.!! lol

 

[trev]

Thomas De La Rue were pretty strict, they print money (for those who don't know)
Searched on the way in, several layers of security on the way in. Accompanied at all times, the same layers of security on the way out and searched again on the final one.

 

[Adam W]

Some many foreign " trades " on site nowdays you would have to shout fire in 7 languages !!

On one site I worked on the procedure on discovering a fire was to shout 'fire' 3 times. We were told the Polish for 'fire is 'ogień', pronounced 'oggy', so to go to the fire muster point upon hearing 'oggy oggy oggy', and not simply reply 'oi oi oi'.

 

[Guest55]

Thomas De La Rue were pretty strict, they print money (for those who don't know)
Searched on the way in, several layers of security on the way in. Accompanied at all times, the same layers of security on the way out and searched again on the final one.

decorator pal worked on the daddy of all tight check jobs............

Ashworth maximum security loony hospital - home to charles bronson , ian brady and the jamie bulger killers.

no eye contact with the inmates ! gulp.

 

[trev]

A mate of mine did a job in Frankland nick and they cleared the inmates out before they let him and his mates in to work

 

[Diddy]

Lol you guy's....I could tell you about many more strict sites and the mad stuff they come up with. Even as an apprentice I was on a secure mental hospital in Scotland where we all had to sign a disclaimer to say if we left anything behind that was then used by the patients to cause harm or injury to themselves or others then we would be liable. Tool box's emptied of everything except the essentials for each days work....Inventory checked on the way in and checked on the way out....some prat still managed to "loose" a hacksaw blade...still it all ended ok as it was found in a patients room lol.
All the stuff mentioned in the op's rundown of site measures I have seen on numerous sites. As stated you/we are trying to bypass dawinism and this is what we are left with. I actually agree that lots of groups make far too much cash out of it all. Also as stated it is because directors can find themselves in the dock facing time add to that the financial implications for big firms on big jobs if one of their idiots/workers gets themselves killed.....This is why H&S is so huge and overbearing.

 

[PEG]

Went all the way to Faslane,years back,and security told me i had failed enhanced vetting due to both parents being journalists,sent me away,to "wait",i decided to head home,they got a local "approved" engineer to come,diagnosed fault,ordered part (crane SLI) off company in Midlands,they were informed last available item had been sold to my company,item in back of my van...Suddenly i'm "approved",but have 2 "escorts",which seems 2 more than the other lads have,at the time IRA were the Taliban-of-the-day,so shamrock stickers on toolbox can't have helped....a few years after that,whilst working late at Sellafield,security made me remove all my clothing,bagged it,and i drove home in a 307D pickup,dressed in paper overalls...ALSO worked at Springfield BNFL (mentioned above) the year someone sold a load of contaminated scrap off site....Would NOT go back to ANY of above,not for a grand a day,fullstop.:ack2:

 

[Engineer54]

Well my last word on the sometimes ludicrous UK site based H&S situation, is what i've stated here many times in the past. Overseas contractors (including UK contractors working on overseas projects) refuse to employ UK H&S Officers they are just too much of a liability to the project, end of!!

Of all the projects i've ever worked on, i know of only one instance where two men were actually killed on site and that had nothing to do with actual construction issues. A fork lift truck lost its brakes on an incline and ran over two workman behind it. Apart from that it's been the usual everyday site accidents, that no amount of H&S presence will ever stop. Don't for a moment get me wrong here, all the projects i've worked on overseas have had H&S officers, that operated sensible and meaningful rules and policies. Even here in China on my present project we have H&S, headed in this instance by an Aussie H&S Officer, with a couple of other Aussie inspectors along with filipino and locals.... To my knowledge the worst case reported so far, is a lacerated and broken arm to a aircon duct erector....

 

[PEG]

...My earliest incident of a site injury,was,when i got a job at a local farm,so i could ask a girl out,who had a horse on there...She said "No",with a "ah,bless you for trying" type of smile...badly broke my heart...now where's that accident book? :conehead: