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Lister1987

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Unless the barriers and front cover are off, or the copper is out and exposed going into the tails gland I'd C2 myself, purely because it drives the requirement to fix, that said a few seconds to chop and re-terminate and no code at all, depends how you see it.
 
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Dustydazzler

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If you C1 exposed copper then potentially every pendant would be a C1

At worst a poorly stripped conductor leaving too much bare wire showing is a C2 as an untrained person fiddling inside the enclosuer could touch the bare wires. Which then questions why is an untrained person fiddling with the wiring in the first place

For me C1 should only be used for really serious things like a bare wire exposed so anyone can touch it. If that wire is inside a box then its much less of an issue
 

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He’s not waiting for an answer. WE are waiting for a photo.

There are various degrees of “bare copper showing” that determines whether a C3, 2 or 1
Funny you say that , I worked with a sparks who every time he made off tails he stripped way too much insulation and often left about an inch of bare copper wire poking out the terminal...
Did my head in but he was about 15 years my senior and had done it this way for donkeys years so wasn't going to change his ways...
He is exact same on sockets , switches and JBs he would trim off way to much insulation leaving a solid inch or more of bare wire
 

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If it’s just a few mm showing at the terminals, then that’s C3. Improvement.
It’s more likely someone can touch the terminal screw with a fingertip if they really tried.

If bare copper can be accidentally brushed against, when not trying…. That’s C2. As another fault needs to make it a C1…. Such as no front panel, or missing blanks from the front panel.

A C1 would be live copper floating about in free air, likely to be accidentally touched.
 

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If you start coding bits of bare copper within the consumer unit where do you stop, do you end up coding sockets and switches that are showing a bit of copper or how about the brown junction boxes with their exposed brass terminals once the lid is off and all generally need a tool to access the areas of concern, it then begs the question should ceiling roses have a key / tool removable cover instead of the current twist off cover because it is too easy to access live terminals
I would suspect there are more items posing a greater danger than this on most installations, it seems now that some doing EICR's don't feel they have completed it correctly unless they hit that pinacle of a C1 on the report, but a few C2's can usually be a substiute for the upset
 

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This. One could always consider fixing it as a goodwill gesture to the customer.
Indeed and I'd like to think sparks with a conscience would but there are always those that will fill that report with as much fluff as they can to make it look horrific for the customer so that they're scared into getting remedials done by the same mob
 

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Indeed and I'd like to think sparks with a conscience would but there are always those that will fill that report with as much fluff as they can to make it look horrific for the customer so that they're scared into getting remedials done by the same mob
To be clear, I wasn't putting the OP into this category. After all, he asked the question how to code it.
It also may not have been practical to cut power at that moment to fix.
 

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Indeed and I'd like to think sparks with a conscience would but there are always those that will fill that report with as much fluff as they can to make it look horrific for the customer so that they're scared into getting remedials done by the same mob

There are a few good reasons why I don't generally do remedial work as I carry out an EICR (other than very brief, absolutely essential work), unless my client specifically asks me to.

One reason is that I am expected to produce a report on the current condition of the installation, and fixing things as I go skews the results of that report, and gives an inaccurate overall impression of the installation.
 

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