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What are peoples thoughts on this, should socket outlets in the general public areas be RCD/RCBO protected? I believe they do and have put them down as a C2 on a recent EICR but recently got a phone call to say it's a C3!
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Well you're saying that all these things used to be allowed but are now not allowed, when in fact they are still allowed.
Makes me wonder whether you just ignore the Regulations and make up your own.
Not NICEIC are you?
However the biggest problem here, is this weird idea that just because there has been a change in the Regulations, anything that is no longer allowed is suddenly dangerous..
Well you said bare conductors are not allowed when they are.
Can't say I've ever come across bare conductors enclosed in wooden containment. Not sure whether it would be allowed today or not.
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I'm not sure it's that drastic.Sorry but that is exactly what you are doing if you apply a code C1 or C2 to a situation that was ok yesterday before the new edition came into force today.
Sorry but that is exactly what you are doing if you apply a code C1 or C2 to a situation that was ok yesterday before the new edition came into force today.
. . . . . and are still not being proof read to prevent the obvious errors and mistakes!I was talking to an old workmate the other day on that subject, I bet the books are already printed and sat in a warehouse somewhere.
We look after a number of pubs, restaurantsIs this pub a one off or are your company involved with chain because your QS maybe maintaining continuity through the Reporting system.
Customers shouldn't be doing that.Back to the pub... I have come across the OP question before. I had worked in a pub between jobs, and they had a company in doing the EICR for insurance. Their tester C2'd all the socket circuits saying that they needed to be RCD protected as they could be used for outside equipment...unless they were labelled for a specific equipment. ie... label a socket for bandit only, or jukebox only etc.
My boss used to get annoyed with customers plugging in their own phone chargers. Sometimes he would trip the breaker on purpose and blame them
Customers shouldn't be doing that.
I think that, given the nature of the environment, and the nature of a lot of the people in that environment, common sense would suggest, certainly as far as the landlord is concerned, that you are correct. Why on earth would you not fit them?What are peoples thoughts on this, should socket outlets in the general public areas be RCD/RCBO protected? I believe they do and have put them down as a C2 on a recent EICR but recently got a phone call to say it's a C3!
A statement suggests that an installation installed to an earlier Edition may not necessarily be unsafe. That certainly isn't the same thing as stating that it definitely is safe, however.Normally I would say if inspected to BS7671 C3 however I see page 11 regarding installations to earlier editions "this does not mean that they will fail to achieve conformity with the relevant parts of the EWR 1989.Also regs 114 & 115.Having thought about it I am I & T to BS7671 so C3,C2 if it was a outside socket. The pub should have a risk assessment in place to the activities taking place on its premises.
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