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I realised that I was being too kind (or stupid) and not charging customers any extra when I went a little over and into the next hour, and I am now charging them half of the next hour's labour charge if I go over 10 minutes into the next hour but work for less than 30 minutes.

I am curious if others on here immediately charge when they go into the next hour's labour, and if they charge the full hour even for say 20 minutes labour into that hour.

I am more referring to callouts when I go into the second or 3rd hour of labour as opposed to working for 8 hours for someone and worrying about charging for 5 minutes extra labour?
 
an older chap had us replace his oven when i was in my first year, my boss felt sorry for him due to the state of his house

we finished up and my boss gave him a price well below normal, guy went into one of his many jackets hung over a door and pulled out a fat wad of notes, this same man then offered to pay for my mum to have a private hip replacement done as she was too young to have it done under the nhs
Bigging it up for attention--learnt dealing with council / HousingAssoc !
yeah had a guy on xmas eve complain of "no hot water"

i get there and it turns out his electric shower wasnt working, hot water fine

faulty DP switch with N contact welded open

hes going to get a fat bill for that as we are on double time over xmas
 
i had to go back to a flooded property last week to turn circuits back on, tenant had phoned up saying he didnt want to touch it and requested we visit to switch the mcbs back on

i get there, and he doesnt let me in and says he turned them back on himself, made him sign my ticket anyway, cheers for the 2 hours OT
 
So, an interesting read on New Year's Day 2018; the 'analytics' have given me a 'welcome' diversion from other more pressing but more 'unpleasant' tasks! Please excuse me poking a little 'fun' at some of your responses?

29 posts from 18 respondents ... one sits on the 'fence' and enjoys the 'view' and one makes ' ... it up as ... ' he goes along and one asks clarifying questions! Of those who responded: most, just, 6 charge by the hour; 5 by the quarter and 4 by the half. 2 apply an 'increased' hourly rate for the first hour, one by as much as a 1/2; 3 apply a 'discounted' hourly rate for subsequent hours, one by as much as 2/3. 4 respondents operate a 'generous' 'buffer' where they will work for up to 5 or 10 minutes per job without pay!

I would like to challenge each respondent who has contributed so far to think hard this year about their 'value proposition' to their customer and the legacy that they leave the next 'electrician', DIY enthusiast or those 'cockroaches' of the world of electricity and the cause of so much poor installation practice and so many apocryphal electrical accidents and incidents ... the Electrical Trainee!

I find some of these responses to a degree 'unprofessional'. What is the exchange of 'value' between a professional tradesman and their customer? What will a 'canny' customer be thinking about our 'offer' which may or may not get us the first job; or so much more importantly the recommendation from the customer to all their friends for work to follow? One of the respondents here offers a 30 min minimum 'fee' while all others 'demand' 60! As a customer with little else to differentiate between possible contractors who are you going to choose ... particularly if finances are 'tight'? Indeed, would you employ the person who charges for 55 minutes of their time from which you have not benefited? If you were charged for 120 g of cheese from a supermarket and only received 65 g you would be standing at 'customer' services, tapping your foot, and complaining bitterly at being 'short changed'. Same as if you got a half-full box of screws from the wholesalers, or an electrical component that only half 'worked'! That said, we all have 'overheads', the costs of doing business and these should be covered adequately by our charging structure. If they are not, then we will not be in business for very long however successful we are in winning and keeping 'custom'!

Has anyone 'out there' come across 'lean' techniques ... what do people think? I am interested in thoughts on the following YouTube videos. Watch the first with the sound off ...


... how could this example, from a different trade and in a country with a totally different culture, impact domestic electrical installation in the UK? How might it improve the value to your customer? How might it improve your businesses profitability? What might you need in order to improve the 'economy' of your own effort?

... then listen to the narrative!

The narrator knows his business and what constitutes the 'break-even' point of at least one of his business processes ... I suspect he knows far more!

... improving just one of the business' processes ...


His staff are also extremely knowledgeable about their products, the business process and he chooses to invest in their wider general education as well.

What tools, test equipment and devices would make our lives easier or electrical installations safer? What electrical installation 'innovations' have really 'improved' our 'service' to our customers?

Wishing you a Prosperous New Year,

Yours Aye

GB

I lost interest after the second paragraph. Anyone seen Dunkirk film?
 

what hits me hardest about these ww2 films is some real blokes actually went through this madness, enough fuel only to get them to the battle!

if i could buy them all pints i would
Can't remember that bit, and it was only last night!

Did you hear the joke about the Royal Engineer
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that was it :)


you forgot the only action in the entire film?

im not one yet so no offence taken ;) lol
 
what hits me hardest about these ww2 films is some real blokes actually went through this madness, enough fuel only to get them to the battle!

if i could buy them all pints i would

Fuel range described as "allowed for take-off, a climb to altitude, 1.65 hours cruising and 15 minutes combat at full bore".

The firing rate varied between model of the Spitfire, but at best could only have enough ammunition for less than 20secs of continuous fire. So 15 mins of fuel during combat, was probably more than sufficient.

As to how realistic this scene was, gliding at 120mph, turning at 120mph and shooting down a Stuka diving at 350mph, probably not. But never the less, the courage & bravery of RAF pilots is rightly celebrated.

Was a good film IMO (I did see the final scene), but I preferred the 1958 original. But I suspect the 2017 version is going to scoop up a lot more awards.


 
Fuel range described as "allowed for take-off, a climb to altitude, 1.65 hours cruising and 15 minutes combat at full bore".

The firing rate varied between model of the Spitfire, but at best could only have enough ammunition for less than 20secs of continuous fire. So 15 mins of fuel during combat, was probably more than sufficient.

As to how realistic this scene was, gliding at 120mph, turning at 120mph and shooting down a Stuka diving at 350mph, probably not. But never the less, the courage & bravery of RAF pilots is rightly celebrated.

Was a good film IMO (I did see the final scene), but I preferred the 1958 original. But I suspect the 2017 version is going to scoop up a lot more awards.



For the 15 minutes of actual combat I wonder if the pilots charged by the hour or at a pro rata rate?
 

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