Landlord Certificate!

[Shock Doctor]

Hi everyone,

I had an inquiry from a letting agent this morning asking if I did a " Landlord Certificate ". I assumed they ment a PIR which I explained as I dont have a C&G 2391 I am unable to carry out PIR's.

No thats not what they ment, apparently the electrician who they used to have doing there work would issue a Landlord Safety Certificate for new lets. Has anyone heard of this? what does it involve? or is it rubbish. I thought I would ask before damning someone as I am only a humble domestic installer still learning but I do believe in going by the book so if Im missing something or the wiser ones of you out there could let me know I would be as always very grateful for your thoughts.

Ta very much!

 

[IQ Electrical]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

It sounds like the dreaded 'Domestic Visual Condition Report'.

I've come across this before, where we've quoted say £200 for a PIR only to be told we lost the job to a £50 DVCR that quite frankly isn't worth a dime and in my so humble opinion has no place in our trade!

 

[Shock Doctor]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

Thanks IQ,

Confirmed what i thought. Its a not worth the paper its on report. I dont get why they want them then if it covers nothing, isnt recognised by any industry standard or scheme! What is the point of having them then? I wouldnt want to put my name on a "yeah it looks alright report" especially with tenants you would be asking for trouble.

 

[ezzzekiel]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

didnt know 2391 was required to carry out a pir

 

[cbw]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

You dont need 2391 to issue PIR'
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.Beaten to it!!!!

 

[IQ Electrical]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

But there's the strange bit, IIRC the NICEIC actually introduced this document for single phase, single dwelling ADS properties fed from 1 source of supply only.

The original idea was to allow it to be used to identify "damage, deterioration or visually-evident defects which affect or may affect safety"

The problem is, the document has been abused as a way of providing unaware clients with a cheap "test report"

 

[telectrix]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

question here. minor works. addition of FCU to ring main ( RCD protected.) IMO not a notifiable job as regards part p. am i right?

 

[Shock Doctor]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

Well you live and learn! Excuse my lack of knowledge I thought to issue a PIR involving inspection and testing I would need 2391. So could I offer the letting agent a PIR or do I now need to be assessed by elecsa first? Sorry if this is something I should already know.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

"question here. minor works. addition of FCU to ring main ( RCD protected.) IMO not a notifiable job as regards part p. am i right?"



As long as it's not in a kitchen....

 

[IQ Electrical]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

Well you live and learn! Excuse my lack of knowledge I thought to issue a PIR involving inspection and testing I would need 2391. So could I offer the letting agent a PIR or do I now need to be assessed by elecsa first? Sorry if this is something I should already know.

Have a read through this thread: http://www.electriciansforums.net/i...5542-elecsa-assessment-domestic-periodic.html

Might save you some cash!

 

[Shock Doctor]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

Thanks again IQ,

Very interesting reading, however I think I will avoid PIRs untill I have more experience to be on the safe side. Thanks again all who replied.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Re: Landlord Certificate WTF!

They're all about experience, download the ESC Best Practice Guide from here: http://www.esc.org.uk/pdfs/business-and-community/electrical-industry/BPG4_08.pdf

It's an excellent guide to help you with defect codes etc and if you use it as a 'minimum' on your reports, you'll always have something in black and white (or full colour) to back you up.