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Just been told the system,its weird,it seems to be weighed in favour of the folks who have never worked
Correct as I understand it, and then people wonder why some have no incentive to work.
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Just been told the system,its weird,it seems to be weighed in favour of the folks who have never worked
If i strolled down the JC tomorrow to sign on, what sort of money would i be expecting a week?
What the hell are you supposed to do with £71 a week?£71 per week if your over 25.
What the hell are you supposed to do with £71 a week?
Half a tank of diesel, 7 tins of baked beans and a smartprice bog roll I guess
I know !
Im already down to 4 hookers and 2 bags of coke a week.
Cant trim back any further.
;-)
Cheers Trev, having read most of the posts on here, it seems alot of resentment to people who sign on.
Now I know I don't have to justify why but feel maybe I can get a point across. I am 35 years old, worked full time since I left school at 16 and paid all my taxes. I have been self employed since the beginning of the year. I have joined a scheme paid my insurances. My van remains taxed and insured at all times.
I have had a reasonable amount of work come in too survive, but recently it seems to have dried up. Now looking on this forum it is not just me having this problem.
But there comes a time when you don't have money but the bills and rent still need paying every month, my partner only works part time, but is looking for another job or full time work but can't get anything.
Now unlike some people who seem to have a reasonable amount of money saved up and don't see a need to do it, I am not in a privileged position to be able to do that. Although I have waited as long as possible before actually doing it in the hope work would come in. Now the strange thing is I have priced 3 jobs up in the 4 days although not heard of I have any of them yet.
The system is there to help folk when in need, now I know opinions divide on this but when i have paid my dues surely I am entitled to take from a pot that I have contributed too for the last 19 years?
I sign on when there nothing to do, dont see the shame in it, you just need to lie constantly yes mr advisor ill be sure to apply for the that courier job, blah blah blah, whatever p*ss off. I got a written warning last time for being 10mins late. its like being back in school.
Aye, they once did that with me too, so thereafter whenever they were late, I used to write a letter of complaint to the manager cc d to the district manager. I did the same thing if I thought the staff were being rude & disrespectful too.
You must have had to write a lot of letters, they are always rude, disrespectful and late.
What is wrong with preparing for the future by having a nest egg? It seems quite sensible to me.
The only problems there are A) Crime rates would increase dramatically as the workshy would turn to/commit more offendingI wouldn't be too upset if they scrapped the whole thing to be honest.
I currently get over £200 a week in child tax and working tax credits.
That's a stupid amount of money, yes I need it currently but it could quite easily make alot of people lazy.
I'm not claiming JSA at the moment because of unrelated issue but that would be anouther £70 a week.
Then there is housing benefit again I'm not claiming.
Then there is council tax benefit I'm not claiming.
etc etc
If I was claiming all of those what on earth would be the incentive to work?
Now I come from an upbringing that makes me wan't to work but lot's of people don't.
Too much welfare in this country.
New business started in apr this year.
Estimated earnings for this year = LOSS
Wife doesn't work no.
And I agree £200 a week is ludacrose but am I going to turn it down if thats what they offer? ........
That is the argument as to why she shouldn't have the money.Sorry to bring this up because it seemed to have been dropped but this woman has claimed benefits from the government. She hasn't worked for the money she has told them that she needed it when she clearly didn't. Benefits should be for people in need not people who just want to save the money for a nest egg in her retirement. Just because she's better than most of the scroungers out there by not smoking or drinking doesn't make her right. All she has done is proven that the people who WILL NOT go to work gets too much money. If you have no intention of going to work then you should not be able to afford to smoke drink or have sky at the very least??
That is the argument as to why she shouldn't have the money.
She wasn't claiming out of work benefits because she couldn't be bothered to work, she was claiming incapacity benefit because the idea is she couldn't work. She chose to live a meagre lifestyle so she could save for retirement; if anyone were given the choice between having money to spend or not having money to spend then they would chose the money - it's a no-brainer. If the woman in the article had been given the choice of using the money or losing it she may have chosen to live a more frivolous lifestyle, or maybe spend the money on antiques or gold instead.
I agree with everyone else in that anyone capable of working should pay their own way in life, but there should also be support for those who genuinely can't, and IMO that money should be spent on whatever is deemed most important by the individual, whether it be spending straight away or spending later.
Consider the situation of a benefit claimant wanting or needing to spend a large sum of money on some kind of equipment (eg a vehicle) or an operation which they can't get on the NHS - should they be stopped from saving for this because some pencil-pusher thinks they should be spending their money on other things? Similarly if they were to buy said item on credit that might be considered an ongoing expense so might technically be allowed, even though they would have to pay a load extra in interest which someone on incapacity benefit is unlikely to be able to afford.
the fact she's saving for her retirement(most dont have that luxury) or should we say while we are helping her save for retirement shows she's claiming too much,if she chooses to live like she does thats her choice,shes claiming what she doesnt need,and thats greed,while some lads on here have paid in they are not getting the same out when they need the help,shes single lives with a dog,some have a wife and kids, they are the ones that need more,each according to his needs..no wonder people kick off.
The only problems there are A) Crime rates would increase dramatically as the workshy would turn to/commit more offending
and B) what do we do with the unemployable of which there are legions. I'm not talking about people with disabilities which could prevent them working, I mean the ones who no employer in their right mind would take on.
Cannon fodder maybe?
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