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LewisM · Sep 12, 2023

James said:
smaller issues are often unreported for small private aircraft, the bigger ones it is harder to hide when you put the wrong size screws in the windscreen!

We still learn about that at work during human factors training pretty sure every screw was either the wrong length and/or diameter

Simon47 · Sep 12, 2023

LewisM said:
We still learn about that at work during human factors training pretty sure every screw was either the wrong length and/or diameter

I bet it's part of the standard syllabus of "how not to do it" British Airways Flight 5390 - Wikipedia
Wikipedia also has a list of explosive decompression events - not just limited to aircraft. The 1983 diving bell/decompression suite accident is not one to read when about to sit down for a meal - or if squeamish.

In my line of work, we have similar sessions. Decompression is rarely a topic, the reverse is sometimes. There was some discussion around the office in June ... There have been others, USS Thresher being one that caused a rethink around design/safety standards.

Mike Johnson · Sep 12, 2023

And the HMS Thetis accident caused all HMS subs to be fitted with a Thetis clip on the torpedo tubes, as did the (I think) the HMS Truculent colliding with an oil tanker making it mandatory to have a Truculent light on the bow when surfaced.

littlespark · Sep 12, 2023

So the warning light, or incident is named after the vessel that an accident happened to??

What happened to the HMS What-does-this-button-do?

pirate · Sep 14, 2023

Just a small job, replacing a 3 gang switch that was basically worn out...brushed steel, no fly-lead to backbox, and a mix of t&e and a flex...nice switch with the coms all at the top and L1 and L2 at the bottom, rather than the staggered pattern of the new switch...it all went swimmingly (DIF!)...here is a nice touch though, the original electrician typed out a nice key to what was what...

All very neat and self-explanatory, one 15A and the rest 5A...
and a very neat board too

nicebutdim · Sep 14, 2023

Fitted a modern version of that bell a few days back. Lots of noise and takes up very little space.

pirate · Sep 14, 2023

You know that time when you take a pic of the wiring, replicate it, even though the new switch is configured differently, connect it all up...and each switch does what it's supposed to do...then you realise it's upside down, so on is up and off is down, so you rotate the switch...all is good til she says "Oh, the left one is supposed to operate the lights on the right, and the right one is supposed to do the left ones..." and i said, "the middle one does the middle string, so that's good!" She wanted it back the way it was...so I undid the outer two and swapped them over, checked they were working, and all was well. I added a fly-lead from the chrome switch to the back-box, screwed it all back and...BANG! Yup, nipped a cable with the fixing screw...a couple of seconds of sparks and glows and the fuse blew...that's the fuse number 5, lighting, 5Amp...no, it's not, all the 5A fuses, which are in 15A carriers, are fitted with 15A fusewire...still, I'm glad the faceplate was earthed. Another 5 minute job, satisfactorily completed! Spot the nice curly tails from the bottom of the box!
Never mind...
"Oh, while you are here..."
FEK, what now?
This under-cupboard light isn't working...
never seen one before, but hey...finally worked out how to take out the lamp from the holder, and it's a GX53. Oddly enough, I don't have a spare in my bag...research shows that the 2.5W 6500k version she has is impossible to source...
I';ve ordered a 4 pack of 6W warm white...she'll never notice if i replace them all at once!

nicebutdim · Sep 14, 2023

pirate said:
This under-cupboard light isn't working...
never seen one before, but hey...finally worked out how to take out the lamp from the holder, and it's a GX53. Oddly enough, I don't have a spare in my bag...research shows that the 2.5W 6500k version she has is impossible to source...
I';ve ordered a 4 pack of 6W warm white...she'll never notice if i replace them all at once!

Think I'd have aimed to replace the lot with slim link lights and amazed her with instant full illumination.

nicebutdim · Sep 14, 2023

Here we are. I reckon this is all any house needs.

Does the job well, cheap to buy and no integrated camera or spyware.

Underdome Door Bell | Honeywell_Friedland (D792)

pirate · Sep 14, 2023

I did that for my neighbour and she was delighted! Robus spear lamps, really nice. The old brown and beige fluorescent ones had melted end caps and had charred the underside of the cabinets...
12 of them replaced by 3 new ones...what a transformation!

pirate · Sep 14, 2023

and of no connection to any of this, I'm off to Stranraer tomorrow, via Portpatrick, for a couple of days at the Stranraer Oyster Festival...
Have a nice weekend!

nicebutdim · Sep 14, 2023

pirate said:
I did that for my neighbour and she was delighted! Robus spear lamps, really nice. The old brown and beige fluorescent ones had melted end caps and had charred the underside of the cabinets...
12 of them replaced by 3 new ones...what a transformation!

Even the cheap LAP ones from Screwfix seem fairly reliable. I've put a few sets in on occassions where price was a big issue for someone elderly. Not heard of a single failure to date and everyone has been pleased with the difference between old and new.

LAP certainly wouldn't be a 'go to' or recommendation, but they do seem to be okay.

nicebutdim · Sep 14, 2023

pirate said:
and of no connection to any of this, I'm off to Stranraer tomorrow, via Portpatrick, for a couple of days at the Stranraer Oyster Festival...
Have a nice weekend!

Never been to Portpatrick by road. Quickest route from here is over water.

Come to think of it, the same applies to Stranraer.

7029 dave · Sep 15, 2023

pirate said:
You know that time when you take a pic of the wiring, replicate it, even though the new switch is configured differently, connect it all up...and each switch does what it's supposed to do...then you realise it's upside down, so on is up and off is down, so you rotate the switch...all is good til she says "Oh, the left one is supposed to operate the lights on the right, and the right one is supposed to do the left ones..." and i said, "the middle one does the middle string, so that's good!" She wanted it back the way it was...so I undid the outer two and swapped them over, checked they were working, and all was well. I added a fly-lead from the chrome switch to the back-box, screwed it all back and...BANG! Yup, nipped a cable with the fixing screw...a couple of seconds of sparks and glows and the fuse blew...that's the fuse number 5, lighting, 5Amp...no, it's not, all the 5A fuses, which are in 15A carriers, are fitted with 15A fusewire...still, I'm glad the faceplate was earthed. Another 5 minute job, satisfactorily completed! Spot the nice curly tails from the bottom of the box!
Never mind...
"Oh, while you are here..."
FEK, what now?
This under-cupboard light isn't working...
never seen one before, but hey...finally worked out how to take out the lamp from the holder, and it's a GX53. Oddly enough, I don't have a spare in my bag...research shows that the 2.5W 6500k version she has is impossible to source...
I';ve ordered a 4 pack of 6W warm white...she'll never notice if i replace them all at once!

Was going to say that fuse box is nothing like the schedule draw up

pirate · Sep 17, 2023

Quick update on Stranraer:
Don't bother! The only good thing is that drinks in the pub are amazingly cheap, and I had brilliant, inexpensive pub grub, but otherwise not worth the drive, imho.

Welchyboy1 · Sep 24, 2023

few pictures from my recent jobs

Plumber didnt check the other side of the wall before drilling through(had a lucky escape though) and a recent CU change that leaves alot to be desired

DPG · Sep 24, 2023

Can't believe he did that. He must not have even looked at the other side of the wall before drilling. Or a big misjudgement!

Welchyboy1 · Sep 24, 2023

DPG said:
Can't believe he did that. He must not have even looked at the other side of the wall before drilling. Or a big misjudgement!

lol He said his apprentice measured it! He must have realised something was wrong by the depth surely! he actually asked me if i could move it all so he could still put his overflow pipe there, cheek!

timhoward · Sep 24, 2023

Welchyboy1 said:
lol He said his apprentice measured it! He must have realised something was wrong by the depth surely! he actually asked me if i could move it all so he could still put his overflow pipe there, cheek!

I was drilling through the other day and measured extremely carefully to avoid a gate post and a gas pipe. The pilot hole went fine and it came out exactly where I wanted. Then I went up a size and felt the two skins, but then a bit of air and then something 'strange'. I stopped when it was clear this wasn't brick and and went to look.
The builders lad had opened the gate! But the brick I'd put there to keep it closed was now blocking the frame so the gate couldn't close and the drill was in the process of taking a nice little gouge out of the gate. Luckily this wasn't very noticeable as the gate was rotten beyond hope anyway.

LewisM · Sep 24, 2023

Welchyboy1 said:
few pictures from my recent jobs

Plumber didnt check the other side of the wall before drilling through(had a lucky escape though) and a recent CU change that leaves alot to be desired

BG strikes again

littlespark · Sep 24, 2023

there's a picture somewhere on the internet of a drill coming through a wall, through the back of a wardrobe, through a guitar case withing the wardrobe and into the actual guitar which was in the case at the time.

or was that a dream?

loz2754 · Sep 24, 2023

An ex colleague of mine drilled through a wall, straight into a hot water cylinder!
That's why he's an EX colleague.

Simon47 · Sep 24, 2023

loz2754 said:
An ex colleague of mine drilled through a wall, straight into a hot water cylinder!

Got himself in hot water !

But more seriously, can any of us truly say we've never had a drilling mishap ? I certainly have some I'm not admitting to - beyond "they happened". Luckily never did anything expensive.

littlespark · Sep 24, 2023

I keep a short bit of cable on my drill box which was caught as I drilled through a wall… just to remind me of what can happen.

It was a redundant cable, buried in plaster and not in a prescribed zone…. So no idea it was there…. But my SDS made a good twisted mess out of it.

DPG · Sep 26, 2023

Quite impressed that people are already checking out tomorrow's forum messages:

oscar21 · Sep 26, 2023

Had to take over a job from someone else the other day, didn't want to but the client gives us tonnes of work and this was his own house. The other spark is no longer on the scene and I've already been to one of his jobs that had an earth fault so he just disconnected the cpc's out of the circuit to get over it.

So my first port of call was the consumer unit - BG dual RCD, 2 circuits connected down ring and up ring, sockets 2nd fixed and live and some lights 2nd fixed but not powered yet. First test was see if they were rings, neither were. After a bit of investigating, found this in the utility.

Thats why that circuits not a ring then, live ends. Onto the upstairs sockets and quickly found this.

That was after my temp fix, was the same as the utility before I touched it. 3rd cable was a spur to a socket on the floor below that wasn't working.

I also found this that was live. Not touched anything, that's how I came across it.

So apart from the various death traps the place also looked like this.

not unique to this job but why do so many sparks have to cut and patch so much plaster work after its all been done, apparently he forgot to fit loads of stuff that the client had asked for.

Mike Johnson · Sep 26, 2023

Usually happens the other way around, electrician finishes the second fix and client asks can you just fit another --- number of sockets in these rooms.

7029 dave · Sep 28, 2023

Would like to see how this copper pipe is glanded to the 20A FCU any solid earth continuity?

mainline · Sep 28, 2023

7029 dave said:
Would like to see how this copper pipe is glanded to the 20A FCU any solid earth continuity?

Obviously, a plumber as well as a spark

Looks rubbish.

James · Sep 28, 2023

Could be double insulated cable inside, if so, do you think there is a requirement for the pipe to be bonded?

James · Sep 28, 2023

mainline said:
Obviously, a plumber as well as a spark

Looks rubbish.

Not a plumber, look at the poor bends in the pipe, if there is one thing a plumber can normally do well, it is bend pipes neatly.

brianmoooore · Sep 28, 2023

No comment on the earthing, but if I couldn't make a better looking offset in copper tube than that, I wouldn't be putting it on public display.

mainline · Sep 28, 2023

James said:
Could be double insulated cable inside, if so, do you think there is a requirement for the pipe to be bonded?

It would be single isolated inside the switch.
Back box/switch would be classed as an exposed conductive part.

I wouldn't have thought it is a requirement if the cable is double insulated and the run has no sharp edges.

James · Sep 28, 2023

mainline said:
It would be single isolated inside the switch.
Back box/switch would be classed as an exposed conductive part.

But i was assuming the box was attached to the cpc.
do you think there is a need to bond the pipe, assuming the cable comes into the box double insulated?

Personally i was thinking if the flex was secured inside the back box with a cable clamp then the tube need not be bonded, if it is free to move then i think the tube should be bonded.
but I am open to peoples suggestions.

7029 dave · Sep 28, 2023

James said:
But i was assuming the box was attached to the cpc.
do you think there is a need to bond the pipe, assuming the cable comes into the box double insulated?

Personally i was thinking if the flex was secured inside the back box with a cable clamp then the tube need not be bonded, if it is free to move then i think the tube should be bonded.
but I am open to peoples suggestions.

I say yes no difference from a class l light fitting

mainline · Sep 28, 2023

brianmoooore said:
No comment on the earthing, but if I couldn't make a better looking offset in copper tube than that, I wouldn't be putting it on public display.

He wanted it to have the bent with the knee look.

7029 dave · Sep 28, 2023

mainline said:
He wanted it to have the bent with the knee look.

No former used lol

ipf · Sep 28, 2023

mainline said:
Obviously, a plumber as well as a spark

Looks rubbish.

A kinky one, if it was......

davesparks · Sep 28, 2023

7029 dave said:
I say yes no difference from a class l light fitting

Very different from a class 1 light fitting.

It looks like there is an insulated and sheathed cable inside the pipe so there would be no need to earth it, it would be no different to a cable tray or basket in that respect.

7029 dave · Sep 28, 2023

davesparks said:
Very different from a class 1 light fitting.

It looks like there is an insulated and sheathed cable inside the pipe so there would be no need to earth it, it would be no different to a cable tray or basket in that respect.

And that sheathed cable is connected to a metal clad FCU which is connected to the copper pipe so makes it an accessory point. 411.3.1.1 states this very clearly

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