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[DuaneMHunt1976]

I put a ring in my sheds, had to do it in stages as the washing machine was on it. So have a few connection blocks at stages (didn't face leaving live wires my dad is one to touch it to ask should it be there)
One complete on my test was too many connections block (32A wago type)

Is there a rule on this

 

[alanl]

If you could put that in understandable sentences, then you may get a decent reply, as it is, it is very hard to understand what you have done.

 

[onions1066]

The rule is........ If you don't know the answer you shouldn't be doing the work.

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[walsh builders]

Have you wired in a new circuit with connector blocks mid leg?

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

Right
Dyslexic so it's okay to beat me up for that,

If you don't ask questions and keep learning you ain't human
And it suggest you dint know and hind behind such a remark


Welsh how do you mean mid leg

 

[Richard Burns]

You should minimise the number of connections in a circuit as each connection is a potential point of failure, it would look very bad joining cables in the middle of a cable run for no reason.

 

[DPG]

Agree with the post above - try and reword it as it is not clear. Do you mean you haven't fitted all the sockets yet, but have put connector blocks there as a temporary measure until they are fitted? Daz

 

[Marvo]

Right
Dyslexic so it's okay to beat me up for that,

If you don't ask questions and keep learning you ain't human
And it suggest you dint know and hind behind such a remark


Welsh how do you mean mid leg

Maybe you can attach a sketch or even a couple of photos of the circuit you've installed.

 

[Darkwood]

Sounds like he's been assessed and been pulled for a lot of uneccessary joints, if I'm correct my response to the OP is either organise to do the work in one go or find a way to give temp' supply while you do the work without joints everywhere... it may not be against regulation but its poor workmanship.

 

[alanl]

Right
Dyslexic so it's okay to beat me up for that,
If you don't ask questions and keep learning you ain't human
And it suggest you dint know and hind behind such a remark

Do you want help, or do you just want to complain for no reason?
Read what I wrote again, it wasnt criticism, it asked for you to write it more clearly, so that we can understand what the question is.
It still isnt clear what the question is.

 

[uksparks]

Is it just me or does it read like "I extended a radial whilst it was live but couldn't connect it up fully as the washing machine was mid cycle and didn't want to risk getting an electric shock by leaving loose ends before the washer finished"

 

[7029 dave]

I am for one, not understanding this question.

 

[Andy78]

Is it just me or does it read like "I extended a radial whilst it was live but couldn't connect it up fully as the washing machine was mid cycle and didn't want to risk getting an electric shock by leaving loose ends before the washer finished"

Gawd knows. I'm not making any assumptions with this one.

 

[walsh builders]

Welsh how do you mean mid leg

Are the connector blocks in the middle of the cable, or are they just temporary where your sockets will be?

If they're temporary then they're fine. But I wouldn't like to do a new install with cables joined with blocks. [emoji53]

 

[DPG]

Right
Dyslexic so it's okay to beat me up for that,

If you don't ask questions and keep learning you ain't human
And it suggest you dint know and hind behind such a remark


Welsh how do you mean mid leg

I don't think anyone would have a go at you being dyslexic. No-one knew you were dyslexic anyway - it just appeared to be a badly worded question.

Anyhow, what's the story - are they temporary blocks until you get the sockets fitted? Daz

 

[shanky887614]

I don't think anyone would have a go at you being dyslexic. No-one knew you were dyslexic anyway - it just appeared to be a badly worded question.

Anyhow, what's the story - are they temporary blocks until you get the sockets fitted? Daz

if your dyslexic, read through it a couple times.

it will eventually look right and everyone will understand what you mean to say, i know what kind of trouble you are having because i was in a similar boat at one point in time.

any mods looking at this will see 50+ edits with multiple spelling corrections and changes to the sentence structure etc lol

 

[Leesparkykent]

if your dyslexic, read through it a couple times.

it will eventually look right and everyone will understand what you mean to say, i know what kind of trouble you are having because i was in a similar boat at one point in time.

any mods looking at this will see 50+ edits with multiple spelling corrections and changes to the sentence structure etc lol

Same here mate, my spelling and punctuation is appalling.

 

[shanky887614]

Same here mate, my spelling and punctuation is appalling.

i retook english gcse twice and still didnt get any higher lol.

nearly got a B in eng lit but barely scrapped a c in language.

i had 5 or 6 different english teachers at secondry school lol.


even a private tutor at one point didnt make a difference while i was doing AS levels

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

The polite thing to do...

if you don't understand the question. As could they expanded on the question
Or could just past.the post by, why bother to reply to it if you know.what they mean

But I wouldn't lay in to them for their English or.how they have said.some thing
To me.that is no better than running a old person over because.they are.slow
Or beating up someone.l who has some.thing.wrong with their eyes "they looked at me funny tho"

No judged dreed manners please

 

[Darkwood]

Try not to take offense, we get so many so often on here that ask ambiguous questions, hard to understand or just simply because they have there own terminology that it may be automatic for members to get complacent and critique the opening post... you were asked and you have explained why you intro post may not be worded correctly - if you feel a post after your explanation has taken to mock or offend you then please hit the report button in the lower left of the post in question and the Mods will decide whether to take action.

 

[Darkwood]

The rule is........ If you don't know the answer you shouldn't be doing the work.

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What rules is this then...yes agree you can give that as a reply to certain questions but not as a rule... I'd like to see anyone that knows every answer, we all started somewhere and we all have questions however simple to one person as they may seem to a newby they can be confusing or did you proof read the regulations when you finished college and understand every regulation and why its been introduced so you never needed to ask anyone if you were doing it right?

In the OP's case he seems to have done the work unaware anything was wrong and technically its not wrong it just falls down to poor workmanship/design to have so many joints but it doesn't breach any regulations as such.. .as I said earlier, it sounds like he's been pulled on it and if its a scheme provider then they will expect a certain level of good practice and design beyond regulations.

 

[ackbarthestar]

Same here mate, my spelling and punctuation is appalling.

and grammar? .... are appalling - lol

 

[DPG]

Regardless of spelling or grammar, have we had an answer as to whether these connectors are temporary until sockets are fitted yet? Daz

 

[Spoon]

The OP hasn't clarified his original post. We are just assuming things at the moment...

 

[IzzyS]

No - it seems that the OP has been back to counter criticise the perceived slight but is unable, or unwilling, to clarify the original question.

The majority of people are willing to help you, but we need more info.

It's very easy to type a flippant comment which can be easily taken the wrong way, something that would probably not have happened if you were in a face to face conversation.

So, please answer the following and we will try and help.

1) Who has told you there are too many connectors? Was it your Part P assessor, your electrician, a building control officer or the Tesco delivery man? That will help us understand the problem.

2) Why have you used the connectors? Is it a temporary connection before the 2nd fix, or designed in at the outset as part of the finished circuit?

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

I stopped Replying as it was getting a bit to NARKY. So i didnt see any point in keeping on with the Question, As one guy SAID i should READ things a Few times over DAYS to get it, other wise i can put EMOTION in to things and that cant change the Meaning of some thing.

How many Connectors can you use (my NAPIT Assessor seen 4)
Ideal SpliceLine In-Line Wire Connectors Pack of 100 | Leads & Connectors | NoLinkingToThis

The Ring Circuit was added to over a year, as i didnt have the TIME or the MONEY to do it all in one GO
So as the Ring Grew i added Connectors to branch it to the Next Socket.

 

[Darkwood]

Right the thread is back on track ....

Can you tell us if the nature of the spurs from the ring comply to appendix 15 (If I recall rightly) or was you just keeping the ring and expanding it?
Your splices you used - were they correctly rated and what did you house them in?

These may seem like daft questions but we need to see why your assessor found issue, a photo of the set-up or a diagram of how the ring is and how you have jointed in extra sockets....

Lastly what exactly did the assessor say or write?

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

My QUESTION is ONLY

How many Connectors (Make In-Line Rated 32A) can you use on a RING?

I used these Connectors, so that i could add two FCU in to the RING.
So were it went in to a Socket and came out, the out part was taken out.
Replaced with a 2.5/2.5/1.5 to a FCU that then went on to another FCU, again in 2.5/2.5/1.5
That then went back to the Socket in 2.5/2.5/1.5 and attached back up to the other side of the RING
using Connection blocks (In-line, Rated at 32A)
As there was a Live/Neutral/CPC there was 3 Connectors.


ASSESSOR
Didnt say any thing to my face about the Connectors, just asked about one i put in the Sub Main (cut a lighting Live too short and had to join it up for the light switch)

On Paper
"Excess connections used in ring circuit"

 

[IzzyS]

The best course of action for you is to contact your assessor and ask him or her to clarify this - there is no specific regulation that I know of that limits the number of connections. After all, if you have 50 sockets on the ring you have 150 connections...

Ask which specific regulation (or regulations) he feels you have failed to comply with. If you get a satisfactory answer, then you will have a better chance of passing a re-assessment, and will have learned something new.

 

[Darkwood]

My QUESTION is ONLY

How many Connectors (Make In-Line Rated 32A) can you use on a RING?

I used these Connectors, so that i could add two FCU in to the RING.
So were it went in to a Socket and came out, the out part was taken out.
Replaced with a 2.5/2.5/1.5 to a FCU that then went on to another FCU, again in 2.5/2.5/1.5
That then went back to the Socket in 2.5/2.5/1.5 and attached back up to the other side of the RING
using Connection blocks (In-line, Rated at 32A)
As there was a Live/Neutral/CPC there was 3 Connectors.


ASSESSOR
Didnt say any thing to my face about the Connectors, just asked about one i put in the Sub Main (cut a lighting Live too short and had to join it up for the light switch)

On Paper
"Excess connections used in ring circuit"

The highlighted point is where you may have gone wrong, check App 15 ... generally you only put 1 spur'd leg off a ring per socket point on the ring, so the leg between 2 ring sockets shouldn't have more than one spur on it be it a socket or a FCU feeding a number of smaller loads, spuring out of the back of a socket or the CU are included in this.

When you find yourself in position where you are having to do multiple spurs then you really need to consider making the ring larger ..... Hence I said check app' 15 as it has a clear diagram of options for spuring off rings.

Regardless how little time or money you have you still should work to good design and practice and leave excuses behind you, if you cannot afford or have the time to do the job to good standards then only one option exists - don't do it!