Electric shower query

[Searcaigh]

Spark just put in a electric shower (Triton) and hit a small problem, black brick wall behind the tiles where he wanted to install.

He said not to worry, he will just trunk it up into the ceiling (which goes into the loft). To do this, he cut a hole in the top of the shower box. He hasn't sealed the hole, there's a rough 0.5cm to 1cm gap between the hole and the trunk, and the trunk isn't flush or sealed against the tile wall.

Looks like water could very easily splash into the inside of the shower box through these gaps. Is this safe? I am going to seal it myself but want to know if this could be a serious issue or not as he left it.

Thanks for your time.

 

[littlespark]

“Lone Ranger Electrical” strikes again

At least he cut the trunking to fit over the wood trim at the ceiling. I’ve seen trunkinkung that just bends into the shape it needs to be with a gap down the back.
A little care cutting at the shower end and it would look much neater.
Agree, if shower manufacturers allow top entry for pipe and cables, it must be safe to do so.

 

[sparkdog]

Would have thought it could be chased in regardless of what the wall is made of.

 

[Taylortwocities]

I guess the wall was already tiled, hence the need to go surface. I just dont understand why the 'electrician' did not use the supplied cable outlets, made for the job.

 

[sparkdog]

Logic is a very scarce commodity for certain " Tradesmen."

 

['mr2'gd4u]

Non electrical services not installed with electrical services comes to mind..

 

[Searcaigh]

I sent the pics onto the landlord and, predictably, he asked me to seal it with some silicon. So I did. No issues thus far.

As for the landlord now being aware of the work being carried out in his name by this guy, all he said to me was "I'll let him know for next time." . Didn't expect any better, tbh.

Thanks for all your remarks.

 

[SparkyChick]

Agree, if shower manufacturers allow top entry for pipe and cables, it must be safe to do so.

I believe that what they have internally where the cable entries are is like a trunking type effect that separates the entry point from the internal electricals, so if water does get it, it runs down inside the cavity and drips off harmlessly into the bottom of the case where it can then run out.

 

[DPG]

Like the channels around car hatch back openings.

 

[MFS Electrical]

Did he arrive on a horse? That’s appalling. He has negated the IP rating of the shower.
Water will get in, it will cause problems.

I really hope you haven’t paid him.

Not to mention the IP rating of trunking I know it’s not singles but still

 

[MFS Electrical]

I believe that what they have internally where the cable entries are is like a trunking type effect that separates the entry point from the internal electricals, so if water does get it, it runs down inside the cavity and drips off harmlessly into the bottom of the case where it can then run out.

But only if the manufacturers instructions say it’s ok because many don’t allow top entry

 

[SparkyChick]

But only if the manufacturers instructions say it’s ok because many don’t allow top entry

Yes, should have added that. Ta muchly

 

[MFS Electrical]

Yes, should have added that. Ta muchly

A few heads are better than one

 

[telectrix]

A few heads are better than one

that's what the hydra headed m-i-l says.

 

[Baddegg]

Still could’ve made a better job of it imho...

 

[chrisdungan]

That's a terrible job. does the sparky have any sort of training or licence other than a dog licence?
Was there any sort of certification supplied on completion?
Have they been paid?
Totally non compliant with any sort of regulation and potentially dangerous. I would advise you refuse to use it. A health and safety complaint to whatever tenancy protection agency is in order here.
I'm a New Zealand Electrical Inspector who has worked in the UK, as I said this is dreadful and dangerous.

 

[pirate]

Interesting stuff this...I fitted a new electric shower about a year ago and was no impressed with the casing and its provisions for cable entry or water connection. It was a direct swap for a model by the same manufacturer but the new one was noticeably flimsier and although there was a "double channel" around the outer casing, the plastic knockouts were falling out by themselves...and of course the fixing holes for the back plate were in different positions. Fortunately my cable enters from the back, so I didn't have to use the knockouts. However, what I did notice was that the existing shower was really quite dusty on the top surface (tsk,tsk Mrs Pirate!) so it looks as though there was very little splashing hitting the casing...maybe just the way my daughter uses the shower, as it was in her bathroom, but she spends ages in the shwer washing her hair and is not the neatest lass around. I phoned the shower manufacturers "helpline" because I had a query about the water connection. The instructions said must come straight out of the wall, not up or down via an elbow, and the suplied push-fit connector must be used...why? The man told me it's in case the push-fit comes loose with the water pressure...really??? The case is rawl-bolted to the wall and the pipework is firmly secured too, so what could happen? "It'll invalidate your warranty, sir" was all he could say...
I connected it with a compression elbow, suitably torqued-up with my calibrated wrist...
Other models say there is no rear entry option...
Frankly, just built down to a price

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

The thing that would worry me is if there is a place for suitable cable entry, it is usually a removable piece, that shower top has been chewed away. If you were simply bringing a cable in the correct top entry point, a drill or in this case whatever he has buthered it with would not be needed.

Edit
Ask your landlord for the Part P notification and also the EIC, not only of this but of the mains board change.
Also if safe to do so can you take a picture of the mains board. Leave the cover on, just the surrounds of it.

That is a dog **** install at best

 

[123]

The thing that would worry me is if there is a place for suitable cable entry, it is usually a removable piece, that shower top has been chewed away. If you were simply bringing a cable in the correct top entry point, a drill or in this case whatever he has buthered it with would not be needed.

Edit
Ask your landlord for the Part P notification and also the EIC, not only of this but of the mains board change.
Also if safe to do so can you take a picture of the mains board. Leave the cover on, just the surrounds of it.

That is a dog **** install at best

Post #15 has the manufacturers instructions. Top entry is suitable, but it's not designed to be knocked out, you need to use a suitable tool to cut it out, and it makes note not to use pliers to do it

 

[Taylortwocities]

you need to use a suitable tool to cut it out

Oh, Not pair of garden Secateurs then?

 

['mr2'gd4u]

Oh, Not pair of garden Secateurs then?

It doesn't imply they're not 'suitable'...

 

[telectrix]

Oh, Not pair of garden Secateurs then?

i'm impressed. not many members could spell secret ------ correctly. bloody predictive text.

 

[Taylortwocities]

My dad was a technical author. Some of it must have rubbed off!

 

[CACJL]

Spark just put in a electric shower (Triton) and hit a small problem, black brick wall behind the tiles where he wanted to install.

He said not to worry, he will just trunk it up into the ceiling (which goes into the loft). To do this, he cut a hole in the top of the shower box. He hasn't sealed the hole, there's a rough 0.5cm to 1cm gap between the hole and the trunk, and the trunk isn't flush or sealed against the tile wall.

Looks like water could very easily splash into the inside of the shower box through these gaps. Is this safe? I am going to seal it myself but want to know if this could be a serious issue or not as he left it.

Thanks for your time.

Where did he tether his horse.