New trainee. Is 4 month training realistic to get qualified?

[Dominik Zajecki]

Hi All
My name is Dominik I have decided to change my career from security manager to qualified electrician. I will be starting my training on 12.08.17 I've been told by the Access trining centre that I should finish the course by December And I couls start looking for job as a electrician improver/mate. Is the time frame realistic ?

 

[Pete999]

A mate maybe bur an Electrician never in a month of Sundays, think you have been had over Dom.

 

[telectrix]

nope.all you'lllearn is the basics. good enough to get a job as a mate, butto be qualified you need core quals (c&g 2365), AM2 and NVQ3. coupled with at least 2 years practical experience.

 

[Adj]

What qualifications have they said you will receive after this 4 month course?

 

[Pete999]

What qualifications have they said you will receive after this 4 month course?

 

[Squid]

Jeeez I did 4.5 years as an apprentice to become qualified 4 months lol,

 

[Specialist]

Jeeez I did 4.5 years as an apprentice to become qualified 4 months lol,

Don't you just feel great ?, Think of all the extra money you could've earned in that time.
I know it gives me a warm feeling

 

[Andy78]

Jeeez I did 4.5 years as an apprentice to become qualified 4 months lol,

Thing is, after a few months and course complete, he won't be qualified, and won't be able to get a job, and will be a good few grand out of pocket, and will have to start all over again. You are definitely best off.

I feel sorry for the poor buggers who buy these courses with good intentions.

 

[Rpa07]

Dominik, that will give you something that an employer may give you a chance and a job as a mate. As has been said 3 years as a mate will allow you to join the dots of all the theory that went in but couldn't be deciphered to real life. As long as you go into it knowing this then you'll be ok, if you don't then you'll crash and burn and be in debt. All the best

 

[Dominik Zajecki]

This is the prospectus of the training I will receive during that time.

 

[telectrix]

 

[telectrix]

condense 4 years into 4 months. is the course run by harry potter?

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

I cannot see any C&G qualifications in that lot.About as much use as a chocolate teapot.

 

[Pete999]

Dom I feel for you, honestly but these con merchants should be exposed.

 

[gutterball]

well, part P is a building regulation, not an electrical course. and as for carrying out PIR's (EICR) there is no way you will have the experience. It takes years of accumulated knowledge and understanding of previous editions of the regs to be competent to properly do EICR's.

 

[casperLennon]

Do not hand any money over. What a ridiculous waste of time that would be. Do it the right way and take the time to learn. It might one day save your life

 

[telectrix]

and the proper quals can be done at night school, usually 2 evenings a week,

 

[Andy78]

If you can get a refund on that course I would do it. You would be best off putting the money towards a proper course to get you properly educated and fully qualified.

 

[Dominik Zajecki]

The cours is going to cost me £3850
The cours provider is Access training academies. And its aproved by C&G. I have been to the centre and it looks trustworthy.

 

[casperLennon]

What qualifications will you have at the end?

 

[telectrix]

The cours is going to cost me £3850

Christ, that's more than my weekly bar bill.

 

[Dominik Zajecki]

The initial payment was £750 and the rest is spread in 10 monthly instalments.
I think I still can get the refund.
I have spoken with advisor today and he said that I will receive a C&G acreditation and level 2 certyficate. And will be able to find job as a Electrician Mate or Improver and within a year I can go for NVQ level 3. And become qualified. When I asked if I be able to apply for CSCS /ECS card he told me that it is not point to apply for the card as I will not be able to work as an qualified Electrician.
Is there any thread on forum. Can I just du 17 edition and start looking for job as a Mate or improver?
I realy d'like to work in this industry and I would like to chose the best way to gain the best experience and be employable.

 

[telectrix]

if you are going to obtain a 2365 level2, that's half way to level 3. this would then be followed by nvq3.

as it stands, you'd get a ecs/cscs card by passing a H&S exam. that's about £40. then you could get on site as unskilled, but could probably blagg agencies to be taken on as a mate. then you'd get the practical experience.

 

[casperLennon]

You can get an Ecs card now, it would be a labourers card. After a level 2 you still need level 3 nvq3 and am2 and 17th edition. I think it sounds very suspect what they are telling you

 

[Karin]

what tel said. electrical labourers ecs card for work as a mate. if the level 2 qualification isn't 2365 then forget it. part p and pat testing are a waste of money, but loads of places throw them in cheap to "bulk out" the "value" of the package. 17th edition would usually be a must and definitely help with agencies, but would it be better to hold off for the 18th now.. ? must be getting that way..

 

[Dominik Zajecki]

Is it worth to spent so much money just for level 2 ? Im aware that beginings will be tough And Agencies will be involved thats fine with Me as my goal will be NVQ level 3 and experience is crucial.

 

[telectrix]

look at the alternative college route.

 

[Rpa07]

look at the alternative college route.

And you'll give yourself a bunch of time to read up on theory and watch a lot of you tube vids and get yourself a mate job as they'll see your view and long term goal.

 

[Electric Magic]

You'd be much better off finding a part time course at a local college. The sheet your provided doesn't list 2365 level 2 and I'd bet if that was what was on offer they'd be making a big fuss about it in the paperwork. A local college would cost a lot less and you'd be able to find work as labourer and then improver as described by others above. The course would take 9 months part time but you'd have a recognised qualification. You could then build on that will a level 3 course, AM2 etc. The qualifications you'd get on the Access course are intended as add-ons for existing electricians with installation experience. A lot of private training companies take advantage of loopholes provided by the schemes that "regulate" domestic work to sell these add-on courses as a route to being an electrician but if you do it most likely you'll come out feeling unprepared and possibly like you've been had (and if you don't you'll be one of the people that we all worry about irresponsibly doing shoddy domestic work and endangering your own and other people's lives).

 

[Dominik Zajecki]

So I will take your advise and I will put that course away and I will apply for collage and take it from there. Thank You All very much.

 

[telectrix]

college courses start september, so you'll need to be quick. might even find courses fully booked already though. need to ask around all your local colleges.

 

[FatAlan]

Please see my previous comments on Access Training (use the search facility)
With hard work with books and online study aids away from their centres you could pass the exams they offer without going near a training centre. Therefore the cost is way OTT.
Follow the advice stated above re getting the right course/qualifications.
Access Training's business is based on miss selling a dream that you will walk out a fully qualified spark. Read the small print and do a lot of research on qualification.
From first hand experience, the classes are littered with disillusioned budding sparks. On top of that classes are poorly run and prepared, instructors are disillusioned and often in conflict with head office and what little equipment they have is badly maintained. Get your money back asap and look at college based courses and getting hands on asap.

 

[davesparks]

I reckon it is possible to train someone to follow plans and wire new build houses or flats on sites, and only installing circuits designed by someone else, in four months.

Personally I think it took four years of apprenticeship and another four years working for the same company with my mentor to call on for help to get me to the point where I was ready to go self employed.

 

[PEG]

This is an all too familiar story,sadly,and a big clue is that they give a whole 10 months to pay the fee...but only 4 months to get trained.

I think the advice given up to now,is correct,however harsh it may sound.

 

[Squid]

The cours is going to cost me £3850

Christ, that's more than my weekly bar bill.

By about

Don't you just feel great ?, Think of all the extra money you could've earned in that time.
I know it gives me a warm feeling

Lol, I was on 89p an hour..........

 

[Specialist]

By about



Lol, I was on 89p an hour..........

Bloody hell, that was good . When I started it was 5 1/2 days a week for the princely sum of £5.00 a week .

 

[Squid]

Bloody hell, that was good . When I started it was 5 1/2 days a week for the princely sum of £5.00 a week .

Yeah but I bet you could buy a 3 bed house for £50 in them days

 

[Specialist]

Yeah but I bet you could buy a 3 bed house for £50 in them days

Cheeky Sod I'm not quite as old as Tel & Pete , Ha your nearly as old as me

 

[Squid]

Cheeky Sod I'm not quite as old as Tel & Pete , Ha your nearly as old as me

You're as old as the woman you feel.....

 

[bigspark17]

No decent employeer would accept that in my opinion.. maybe as a mate to start. Time served apprentices is what decent employers look for, agencies may accept you as a spark

 

[Specialist]

I'm only 39 then,

 

[KennyKen]

These threads are becoming alarming. People really think they can be fully qualified in 4 months. I find that rather offensive.

 

[FatAlan]

Same with most professions Ken. I've been in my current profession for 29 years and it's completely different from when I first started. Still have to deal with the same old ---- but now bogged down with high levels of bureaucracy and risk assessments. People can walk in after passing a few exams and doing a bit of training but the real learning doesn't start until you do the job and learn by experience and that never stops.

 

[telectrix]

Cheeky Sod I'm not quite as old as Tel & Pete , Ha your nearly as old as me

you must be older. my first year as apprentice was £6-15-0 per week.

 

[telectrix]

Yeah but I bet you could buy a 3 bed house for £50 in them days

and a 3 bed semi was between £2000 and £3000.

 

[Dannyg8810]

That course looks like he will obtain his 2392 2394/5 ? Also can do that for half the price

 

[Specialist]

you must be older. my first year as apprentice was £6-15-0 per week.

No mate, my starting pay was £5.00 a week. Boss bought me a basic toolkit & took money out of my £5.00 each week to pay for it.

 

[Gakure]

The cours is going to cost me £3850
The cours provider is Access training academies. And its aproved by C&G. I have been to the centre and it looks trustworthy.

The guy is a con, e tried on me...

 

[davemoorenipper]

Dom, it's a scam!! Don't do it you will waste your money....I think you allready realise this hence you are asking other established electricians

 

[Jp70]

LOL trainee electrician myself. Paid 7500 for a course which is mostly self study but practical modules and time spent on site is mandatory there is no such thing as a qualification without a portfolio. They've said the average study time for a mature adult is 3 years including on site time.

I'm a time served spread. There are 7 day and 2 week courses to become a plasterer. It took me 3 years before I was set loose alone again as a mature learner.

I think if you start as a kid the first two years are spent learning how to sweep up and get off your mobile phone. 3 Years seems realistic for most trades though Electricians training is a lot more cerebral so if you are more hands on than not maybe its not a good idea. But what the hell would I know. I do know most sparks aren't the hands on type its why they can't set a back box properly or pin a cable