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Krabby Patty!
Have you got a copy of this book?
Yes....
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Have you got a copy of this book?
trying to get my head around this ‘Testing Fixed Appliances’ but reading the previous posts I am still at a loss?
Krabby……
Thanks for helping, Im on page 72 and i still am not quite getting it....(must be thick) sorry.Take a look at page 72
That’s really good information and help.
Nail on head!
Yes I was worried that I needed to be a qualified electrician to remove the spurs to test etc and didn’t want to take them off for some ‘raincoat’ to tell me that I shouldn’t be doing it that and needed to be a qualified electrician.
I’m happy isolating them and completing the actual testing job in hand and fully appreciate your advice regarding the extra time needed to complete the testing.
Kind regards to all.
Krabby !
If you are thinking you would need to be a qualified electrician to take apart a FCU, and then to refit it, then think again. There is no such thing as a qualified electrician. However, when working on an electrical installation, you do need to be competent to undertake the work involved. But then there is no specific definition of what a competent person is. So I would ask myself this question - "Am I competent to safely isolate the accessory, to confirm that isolation, to then remove the wires from it for testing, and then to reconnect those wires correctly and re-energise the accessory?" If the answer is a confident "Yes" then there will be no problem. It would help if you had any sort of formal training in wiring electrical accessories, but is not entirely necessary.
The next questions to address are a) do you have appropriate test equipment/adaptors for this work? and b) have you priced the job accordingly (this operation will take far longer than with equipment connected with a normal plugtop)?
To muddy already murky waters, the learning lounge- part two PAT testing; items to be tested, informs us that built in equipment is not expected to be tested during a PA test but to be tested during a periodic inspection and test.
Sends shivers down my back as I got overdosed on Dave during 2382 and 2391.
nub of the question is why is fixed appliances being ignored because guys who are PAT testers only and not electricians cannot test them
Say you got called into an office to test the appliances and only did the portable ones that plugged into your tester. Then some poor lady got a belt off the toilet hand drier and you hadn't tested it because it hasn't got a plug on it. Who do you think would be at fault? The client because they asked you to 'PAT' test or you who didn't satisy the criterior of the testing guidance notes?
Using the same scenario but the client asked for In Service Inspection & Test of the Electrical Equipment how many of these PAT testing outfits would actually do it or know what it was and more to the point correctly advise the client
There is ignorance on both sides of this coin the customer is not fully aware of his / her obligations under the law and is frightened into this testing by the penalties if something goes wrong and the testers don't advise the customer as to how they meet the regulations because a lot of them don't know themselves
You mention the use of testers and meters in your post and at 50p / appliance how many appliances are ever connected to one
There has been too much quick training throughout the electrical industry in the last few years and the large number of career changers that it has attracted based on big advertised earnings have diluted the knowledge level and no allowance has been made for the lack of in depth knowledge this type of training achieves or the duty of care that the customer expects from the person they are contracting their work to really screws Part P and a lot of other regs introduced to promote and improve safety
I noticed the test labels and the one on the kettle had a two year span between test! Now if I had been testing that appliance in that situ, I would take into account the number of possible users and frequency of handling and use and I would have put a yearly re-test date on it.
On the flipside I've seen labels for equipment being used on Construction sites with a one-year retest date label on them when the Code of Practice recommends a maximum of 3 months between Combined Inspections and Tests! "Once a year" seems to be (wrongly) stuck in peoples' heads.
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