Poor install EICR 12 year old hotel

[conrad]

Carrying out an eicr. Thoughts on these DBs installed in each room. Around 20 have been installed in this manner with no gland on the supply SWA and the top surface of the DB completely removed.
Note the plasterboard hole is small in this image compared to some.
What do you think other than replacing baring in mind the rcbos for this DB can be £100 alone. Paxolin to slide in etc? Time. Shame for the customer who has had this poor installation.

I have noted as C2 for a number of different reasons. As follows if you wish to read.
522.8.5.
The SWA cable entering the DB has no gland fitted. C2
701.411.3.3
Circuits passing through and supplying accessories in loaction containing bath/shower not provided with RCD protection. C3
527.2.1
Large Hole not made good in plaster board above DB to prevent the spread of fire. C2
411.3.3
No RCD protection on socket outlets, commercial premesis. C2 (Fridge Socket)
522.6.202
No RCD protection for cables buried in the walls. C3
416.2.2
Top surface of Distribution Board has been removed. The integrity of the DB has not been maintained during installation. ip4x not maintained. C2.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Are you aware of tge new regulation regarding this?

I take it you mean 521.10.202?
Perhaps you can point out where it states metal clips must be used in plastic trunking?

 

[Ian1981]

Note 2: This regulation precludes, for example, the use of non-metallic cable clips or cable ties as the sole means of support where cables are clipped direct to exposed surfaces or suspended under cable tray, and the use of non-metallic cable as the sole means of support of the cables therein.

Note 3: Suitably spaced steel or copper clips. Saddles or ties are examples that will meet the requirements of this regulation

Metal clips/supports fixing pvc cables inside a plastic trunking wiring system are one way to comply with this regulation.
Not the only way but one way nevertheless.
Quite suitable for retro fitting on existing installations.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I take it you mean 521.10.202?
Perhaps you can point out where it states metal clips must be used in plastic trunking?

How do you prevent plastic trunking and the cables within collapsing in the event of a fire without fire resistant cable retainers within?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I’ve been installing metal cable ties every third tie on upside down and vertical tray since before I can remember.
Again where in the Regulation does it state metal clips are required in plastic trunking?

 

[Ian1981]

I’ve been installing metal cable ties every third tie on upside down and vertical tray since before I can remember.
Again where in the Regulation does it state metal clips are required in plastic trunking?

Perhaps you only skimmed over the 2 notes to the regulation I’ve provided??

 

[Ian1981]

I’ve been installing metal cable ties every third tie on upside down and vertical tray since before I can remember.
Again where in the Regulation does it state metal clips are required in plastic trunking?

Of course you have!
That is not the discussion tho is it?
The point is that it was not a requirement of the regulations no matter how much you spin it!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Perhaps you only skimmed over the 2 notes to the regulation I’ve provided??

Sorry, thought we were working to the 18th edition.

 

[Ian1981]

Sorry, thought we were working to the 18th edition.

Most of us now are

 

[Deleted member 26818]

From the 18th:
521.10.202 Wiring systems shall be supported such that they will not be liable to premature collapse in the event of a fire.
NOTE 1: Wiring systems hanging across access or egress routes may hinder evacuation and firefighting activities.
NOTE 2: Cables installed in or on steel cable containment systems are deemed to meet the requirements of this regulation.
NOTE 3: This regulation precludes, for example, the use of non-metallic cable clips or cable ties as the sole means of support where cables are clipped direct to exposed surfaces or suspended under cable tray, and the use of non-metallic cable trunking as the sole means of support of the cables therein.
NOTE 4: Suitably spaced steel or copper clips, saddles or ties are examples that will meet the requirements of this regulation.

 

[Ian1981]

So you still believe that you do not need to secure a cable contained in pvc trunking?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

So you still believe that you do not need to secure a cable contained in pvc trunking?

You don’t need to in every event.

 

[conrad]

As the first EICR is due in 2025, you could be correct.

Change of occupancy may require one sooner etc..

 

[Bellendian]

You don’t need to in every event.

I'm curious about this one?

 

[ackbarthestar]

Taking all things wrong with the install into consideration i say C2.
Tha angle which swa enters means that the connections are under stress.
Theres alot of dust inside the consumer units due to the large hole. Theres a draft so anything could enter it etc insualtion...
I believe c2 also for the lack of rcd protection due to them being in a commercial premesis and not being used for fridges in all cases also not labelled and no RA.
I stick to my original coding.

We have a problem here. That which is wrong by todays standards was acceptable by previous standards.
As I've stated already the regs are not retrospective. That would suggest another method of recording any inadequacies.
To say that it is dangerous would imply that the previous regulations were in fact wrong. As far as your coding is concerned, I think you should take it up with the JPEL/64 committee.

 

[conrad]

We have a problem here. That which is wrong by todays standards was acceptable by previous standards.
As I've stated already the regs are not retrospective. That would suggest another method of recording any inadequacies.
To say that it is dangerous would imply that the previous regulations were in fact wrong. As far as your coding is concerned, I think you should take it up with the JPEL/64 committee.

As i stated. My coding is all inline with the napit codebreaker book which for me is a good reference point.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I’ve been installing metal cable ties every third tie on upside down and vertical tray since before I can remember.
Again where in the Regulation does it state metal clips are required in plastic trunking?

It doesn't, however undoubtedly cables within a plastic trunking would not comply without fire resistant support.