Scottish Referendum

[Octopus]

A very good point, there is no doubt Labour will be hit very hard if Scotland say yes. In fact it will cost them the next election for sure, that I strongly believe.

And quite a few in the future too - especially if the boundary commision equalises ALL areas to be roughly the same representation of electors

 

[Guest77]

And quite a few in the future too - especially if the boundary commision equalises ALL areas to be roughly the same representation of electors

Well I am expecting them to lose the next election, but if they lose the one after that and we are stuck with right wing policies in this country for the next generation or two I will emigrate to Canada and buy some land.

 

[Octopus]

Well I am expecting them to lose the next election, but if they lose the one after that and we are stuck with right wing policies in this country for the next generation or two I will emigrate to Canada and buy some land.

We've pretty much had right of centre since 1979!

 

[jimmymac]

Alec Salmon is a bit like Nigel Farage - lacking in detail where it matters, but they both sound good to clueless voters.

Well you can name call all you like. I will be voting YES, that's a vote for Scottish independence, not a vote for Alex Salmond. If independence is won and the country fails then at least it was at our own hands and not at the hands of someone that is allowing a nation to slowly fall into destitution whilst his rich friends fleece buckets of cash from the poorest and most deprived

 

[Silly Sausage]

I think the odious runt has a taste for the lifestyle already...
Alex Salmond in golf tournament controversy over luxury hotel stay - Telegraph

 

[Guest77]

We've pretty much had right of centre since 1979!

Trouble now though is it is going even farther right, racism and segregation of communities are just 2 of the awful things happening in this country, Perhaps the Scots will be wise to leave the union, In fact I may move there haha

 

[Octopus]

Trouble now though is it is going even farther right, racism and segregation of communities are just 2 of the awful things happening in this country, Perhaps the Scots will be wise to leave the union, In fact I may move there haha

I'm going to retire there, so I can get my nursing home fees paid by the state and so I can leave my kids some money!

 

[Silly Sausage]

Trouble now though is it is going even farther right, racism and segregation of communities are just 2 of the awful things happening in this country, Perhaps the Scots will be wise to leave the union, In fact I may move there haha

From what I've read from another forum, leaving the EU is the LAST they want!

 

[UNG]

Well you can name call all you like. I will be voting YES, that's a vote for Scottish independence, not a vote for Alex Salmond. If independence is won and the country fails then at least it was at our own hands and not at the hands of someone that is allowing a nation to slowly fall into destitution whilst his rich friends fleece buckets of cash from the poorest and most deprived

Then who do you expect to bail you out??

 

[D Skelton]

I couldn't give a ---- either way, but let me for a moment put myself in the shoes of a smelly jock. Do I vote to stay in and have that 'see you next Tuesday' Cameron in charge? Hmm... I think not. As much as I hate that lying little weasel Salmond, he has got one thing going for him at least, and that is he ain't a Tory!

 

[Adam W]

Well you can name call all you like. I will be voting YES, that's a vote for Scottish independence, not a vote for Alex Salmond. If independence is won and the country fails then at least it was at our own hands and not at the hands of someone that is allowing a nation to slowly fall into destitution whilst his rich friends fleece buckets of cash from the poorest and most deprived

... So it's fine to ruin Scotland as long as it's a Scot who's doing it?
I would have thought it'd be better not to ruin it at all, but then I don't understand how Socialism is supposed to work.

 

[Dcf]

Who is going to pay our dole if we separate?
Who is going to pay for future projects like the new Forth crossing?
Who is going to pay for all the Scottish Water upgrades and ongoing costs?
Who is going to pay my pension in 10 years time?
Oh yes, of course, the Scottish tax payer!

Boydy

Boydy ye sneaky unionist you.
a bit of misplaced punctuation and yer saying something different from what you mean
and I give you a like for it!
ever thought of a career in politics?
you can keep my likes btw

as for Scotland using the wee eck groat as currency
try splitting a Scottish 20 in oxford
would have been as well having Zimbabwean dollars in my pocket

 

[Guest77]

Maybe you Jocks will start wearing underwear if you go it alone, you will have no-body to pull your kilts up to when the new 8ft wall is built across the border lol

 

[jimmymac]

No, that's not the case at all. Scotland has an opportunity to control it's own future, that means that we can vote any party into government and be ruled by that party. Also, what's to say Scotland will fail?

 

[amckay]

Does anyone think Scottish politician thought this thru properly?
The sheer amount of time money and resources will be ridiculous.
Scottish healthcare, military, border agency, police force, tax infrastructure, post office, councils, schools, government.
Its all stuff the uk as a whole pay for and if Scotland truly want independence then this is the price THEY have to pay. It will cost them trillions. Why should england pay for something we don't want, its not like were forcing them to be an independent state

 

[jimmymac]

Maybe you Jocks will start wearing underwear if you go it alone, you will have no-body to pull your kilts up to when the new 8ft wall is built across the border lol

Built by a polish builder! lol

 

[Guest77]

Just to clarify Guys, most of my posts in this thread are total wind ups, I wish you guys well whatever you decide, no hard feelings from me and thanks for not biting too hard, you have sence of humours you lot, fair play to you.

 

[jimmymac]

Just to clarify Guys, most of my posts in this thread are total wind ups, I wish you guys well whatever you decide, no hard feelings from me and thanks for not biting too hard, you have sence of humours you lot, fair play to you.

Cheers Mike! I never get wound up by forum 'discussions', I don't see the point, whatever is type on here has no bearing on my life what so ever. It seems that everyone has an opinion on this subject and most get annoyed quite easily when they are challenged.......I just like the arguments :wink_smile:

 

[telectrix]

there'a major problem if scotland goes independent that nobody's spotted yet. the english govt. will put import taxes on scotch.

 

[jimmymac]

there'a major problem if scotland goes independent that nobody's spotted yet. the english govt. will put import taxes on scotch.

I could do a bit of boot-legging, I'll smuggle some down for my friends south of the border :boat:

 

[Guest77]

Also the law will be changed so English whisky could be made and sold, at the moment to protect Scottish business it is not allowed, how things will change.

 

[Adam W]

Scotland has an opportunity to control it's own future, that means that we can vote any party into government and be ruled by that party.

That doesn't really explain anything - what would a split from the rest of the UK allow than the Scottish Parliament can't already do? If they hadn't had any power then why is university tuition free to the Scottish but not the English, why are prescriptions free in Scotland but not England, and why do you have different Part P rules?

Also, what's to say Scotland will fail?

In what way doesn't the current arrangement work? If it already works then what's the sense in changing it? Change it until it doesn't work?
The Scottish typically vote for more socialist policies which has a history of not working. Apparently it 'works' in Scandanavia which has been attributed to everyone having to look out for each other due to the harsh climate, but that's no guarantee that it will work all over Scotland, especially in the cities.

 

[UNG]

Just to clarify Guys, most of my posts in this thread are total wind ups, I wish you guys well whatever you decide, no hard feelings from me and thanks for not biting too hard, you have sence of humours you lot, fair play to you.

A bit like this Scottish referendum it's winding a lot of people up

 

[jimmymac]

That doesn't really explain anything - what would a split from the rest of the UK allow than the Scottish Parliament can't already do? If they hadn't had any power then why is university tuition free to the Scottish but not the English, why are prescriptions free in Scotland but not England, and why do you have different Part P rules?
In what way doesn't the current arrangement work? If it already works then what's the sense in changing it? Change it until it doesn't work?
The Scottish typically vote for more socialist policies which has a history of not working. Apparently it 'works' in Scandanavia which has been attributed to everyone having to look out for each other due to the harsh climate, but that's no guarantee that it will work all over Scotland, especially in the cities.

Ok, so if we do get independence we have our say about issues such as the EU, nuclear weapons, immigration etc. If we remain in the UK our population is not enough to sway the vote so once again the outcome is decided by the English vote, therefore, we are not in control of our own future.

 

[Besoeker]

Maybe you Jocks will start wearing underwear if you go it alone, you will have no-body to pull your kilts up to when the new 8ft wall is built across the border lol

Hadrian built it because he feared the Scots.........LOL

 

[Octopus]

Ok, so if we do get independence we have our say about issues such as the EU, nuclear weapons, immigration etc. If we remain in the UK our population is not enough to sway the vote so once again the outcome is decided by the English vote, therefore, we are not in control of our own future.

Er no you won't, that is if you join the EU

 

[UNG]

Ok, so if we do get independence we have our say about issues such as the EU, nuclear weapons, immigration etc. If we remain in the UK our population is not enough to sway the vote so once again the outcome is decided by the English vote, therefore, we are not in control of our own future.

Will you be in control with independence as market forces and other world influences will dictate how Scotland fares as it does with every other country in the world

 

[jimmymac]

More in control than we are now, that's for sure!

 

[Adam W]

On the subject of the EU, as a new country Scotland would have to submit a new application to join, and as a condition of membership new members are required to join the Euro.

 

[mayfair]

Hope they are made to sort everything should cost the Scotish taxpayer a nice wedge.

On the subject of the EU, as a new country Scotland would have to submit a new application to join, and as a condition of membership new members are required to join the Euro.