Shower isolator

[yellowvanman]

EICR observation - Electric shower does not have an isolator (pull cord or switch). Circuit can be isolated and locked off in the consumer unit which is in the nearby airing cupboard. (This is 1st floor flat).

Is there a reg that says a shower should have a local isolator?

 

[7029 dave]

Not sure what you guys want me to add. I've said what I will probably do in post #10. Didn't quite manage to complete all tests yesterday so have to return one day next week, which gives me time to ponder some more!

Will probably include it in the observations but without a code. That way I've mentioned it but it won't affect the satisfactory/unstaisfactory conclusion.

Could extent this discussion further by the fact that the installation only has RCD protection on 1 circuit - on the shower which appears to have been added after the refurb was completed about 20 years ago. Flat is on the first floor. Discuss!

Yellow, you are the guy on the job, if you feel to put a code 3 in, that is absolutely fine, it is only a recommendation, still satisfactory on the report. That would be my take only because that is my opinion, because I like local isolation.It will be up to the client at the end of the day.

 

[sparksburnout]

Not sure what you guys want me to add. I've said what I will probably do in post #10. Didn't quite manage to complete all tests yesterday so have to return one day next week, which gives me time to ponder some more!

Will probably include it in the observations but without a code. That way I've mentioned it but it won't affect the satisfactory/unstaisfactory conclusion.

Could extent this discussion further by the fact that the installation only has RCD protection on 1 circuit - on the shower which appears to have been added after the refurb was completed about 20 years ago. Flat is on the first floor. Discuss!

Why do we need to discuss it? Your doing the EICR? You challenged me that I was doubting your professional ability.

 

[yellowvanman]

Why do we need to discuss it? Your doing the EICR? You challenged me that I was doubting your professional ability.

I just thought I'd let you guys mull that over! I'm sure there will be different opionions out there!

Ok, I'll start with my take. Plenty of C3's, lack of RCD protection on bathroom circuits (light + heater), no RCD protection for concealed cables, no RCD protection on sockets. The only possible C2 could be lack of supplementary bonding between shower/heater/lights in bathroom, but since the consumer unit is in the adjacent airing cupboard I suspect resistance between circuit earths will be OK, but will check!

 

[sparksburnout]

You mean, you want the forum in general to instruct you as to how to do your job? You are undertaking an EICR, it's a tricky old number requiring quite a lot of things, experience, qualifications and so on. Have you got any?

 

[yellowvanman]

You mean, you want the forum in general to instruct you as to how to do your job? You are undertaking an EICR, it's a tricky old number requiring quite a lot of things, experience, qualifications and so on. Have you got any?

I don't want the forum to instruct me in anything I've just told you want I'm going to do, but I know others will disagree and thats their perogative.

As for experience and qualifications I probably have more than you!

I'm now leaving this thread with no further input!

 

[Octopus]

C2 for the lack of RCD protection on the sockets for me.........

 

[sparksburnout]

I don't want the forum to instruct me in anything I've just told you want I'm going to do, but I know others will disagree and thats their perogative.

As for experience and qualifications I probably have more than you!

I'm now leaving this thread with no further input!

Oh dear well that's an awful shame. It just seemed to me that every time you get a bit of a problem you come on here and ask how others would tackle it, not the sort of form for one which such an impressive pedigree? Maybe it's just me....

 

[7029 dave]

Oh dear well that's an awful shame. It just seemed to me that every time you get a bit of a problem you come on here and ask how others would tackle it, not the sort of form for one which such an impressive pedigree? Maybe it's just me....

I don't think there is any need Sparks to rip into the guy, we all here to share our experiences and OPINIONS. Listen to uncle Dave.

 

[GMES]

@yellowvanman and @sparksburnout , not sure what the beef is with you guy's if there even is one but lets keep it professional and out of the thread.
Cheers.

 

[telectrix]

as for me, i've had enough of bloody showers. rain all week, getting soaked just getting gear off van, bugger it. time for beer.

 

[sparksburnout]

I don't think there is any need Sparks to rip into the guy, we all here to share our experiences and OPINIONS. Listen to uncle Dave.

Yes good point Uncle. Soz

 

[sparksburnout]

as for me, i've had enough of bloody showers. rain all week, getting soaked just getting gear off van, bugger it. time for beer.

Showers in Cheshire??

 

[Sparkie30]

@sparksburnout

With your comments you remind me of dilb. Glad hes not about.

 

[telectrix]

snow showers in cheshire atm. pink floyd on the stereo, old peciliuer in the glass, dogs swarming over me. me happy .

 

[sparksburnout]

@sparksburnout

With your comments you remind me of dilb. Glad hes not about.

Dilb was a good lad, an experienced sparks who's presence would enhance this Forum. Maybe YVM will update his profile so we can all be aware of his undoubted credentials? I wonder why Dilb is not on here any more??

 

[sparksburnout]

snow showers in cheshire atm. pink floyd on the stereo, old peciliuer in the glass. me happy .

Now we are talking man. Went to a Rory Gallagher tribute the other night, OP on tap, fantastic. Felt B****y awful next morning, nothing like a hangover and deaf as a post as well..........
Sorted the loft out the other day, found a copy of Piper at the Gates of Dawn??

 

[telectrix]

woow. PF's first album. i have one as well. pure class.

 

[GMES]

@sparksburnout

With your comments you remind me of dilb. Glad hes not about.

Comments like that just aggrevivate the situation. This is the last warning .
If you all want to continue with discussing the pros and cons of shower isolation then do so bit anymore handbags and it will be closed.
Onwards and upwards guys.

 

[sparksburnout]

woow. PF's first album. i have one as well. pure class.

I found loads I had forgotten about! All Sabbaths, Zeps, Who, PF, Dylan, Groundhogs, Bowie, Free, Focus, Cream..loads. I am thinking of getting an old SP25 MK(5?) to play them though my old Quad amp and Wharfs. Oh, and a signed copy of Bad reputation, the crown jewels!

 

[Hellmooth]

C2 for the lack of RCD protection on the sockets for me.........

The report has to take into consideration how it was installed at the time and to what regulations, how can you C2 it?

 

[sparksburnout]

The report has to take into consideration how it was installed at the time and to what regulations, how can you C2 it?

Straight into the landing net....

 

[telectrix]

jeez. another thread derailment gon e back on to topic. what's the forum coming to? soon we'll have tiling threads posted. oops, so we do.

 

[Andy78]

The report has to take into consideration how it was installed at the time and to what regulations, how can you C2 it?

Industry guidance would have us C2 sockets with no rcd where outdoor equipment is likely to be used.

 

[Wonderwall]

The original poster seemed to ask a perfectly posed question on an electricians help forum. He has , however received the the , not unusual for here , holier than thou response. Is this place filled with people who only go by the book to the exact letter?

On topic, I think the answer is it is a c3 , where as bad practice, not advised but not life threading on its own .
Hope that helps , it's only my opinion , which I think is what you were looking for.
I hope nobody ever dares to travel at 35 mph in a 30 zone , that would be unforgivable.

 

[Statick]

Bs 537.1.3 does state that in a single phase domestic property used by ordinary persons the isolation should be double pole as to break both live conductors,hope that helps

I replaced my DP heater switch with a CP Electronics MRT-PRM Series multi range time delay switch.
It only switches the live. Does that mean it against the regs?
Somehow, I feel CP Electronics (being an established firm) should know and not sell this product if it's against the regs. They specifically state it can be used for heaters. Any thoughts? Thanks.

 

[telectrix]

I replaced my DP heater switch with a CP Electronics MRT-PRM Series multi range time delay switch.
It only switches the live. Does that mean it against the regs?
Somehow, I feel CP Electronics (being an established firm) should know and not sell this product if it's against the regs. They specifically state it can be used for heaters. Any thoughts? Thanks.

you still have D/P isolation if needed at the CU.

 

[DPG]

you still have D/P isolation if needed at the CU.

Only by switching all off though.

 

[sparksburnout]

The original poster seemed to ask a perfectly posed question on an electricians help forum. He has , however received the the , not unusual for here , holier than thou response. Is this place filled with people who only go by the book to the exact letter?

On topic, I think the answer is it is a c3 , where as bad practice, not advised but not life threading on its own .
Hope that helps , it's only my opinion , which I think is what you were looking for.
I hope nobody ever dares to travel at 35 mph in a 30 zone , that would be unforgivable.

It would be quite dangerous as well, specially in a 30mph zone.

 

[Hellmooth]

Industry guidance would have us C2 sockets with no rcd where outdoor equipment is likely to be used.

Yeah definitely, best practice guide 4 has a few C2 examples for non RCD protected sockets, but I wouldn't say there was enough evidence here to say outdoor equipment was likely to be used, unless I missed something.

 

[Hellmooth]

Straight into the landing net....

How come?