Starting C & G 2365 Level 2 and 3

[bigash]

Starting the above course, what do those of you that have done it think?

I'm a very fast learner and have a while in industry on the tools, which should make the practical side of things easier, well I hope.

Any advice would be appreciated as well as any tips etc.

Thanks in advance.

Iain

 

[stekel]

bigash im currently about 6 month into my level 2. To be honest its not too bad Im finding it pretty easy. remembering all of the different formulas is probably the hardest bit for me but plenty of revision and sticky notes around the house helps alot. my kitchen cupboards are covered. just stick at it mate. when I first started we had around 30 students now we have about 16 I assume they have walked out without giving it a chance. good luck

 

[Simonslimline]

There are books available that cover all the theory you will do on this course mate.

I also bought a whiteboard and wrote lots of formulas on it so I would always see them when at home. remembering the formulas etc is probably the hardest part.

I am sure if you put the effort in , you will sail through it no problem.

 

[bigash]

Thanks for the replies and the tips.

Sticky notes and white boards it is. I never though of the whiteboard, and at least its reusable for planning etc once the course has ended.

I'm also looking to purchase the City and Guilds own book to aid my studying as i'm assuming that they teach more to the syllabus.

All in i'm looking forward to the course and attaining my goals.

 

[happysteve]

Hi Iain,

The advice above is all spot on. The City & Guilds / IET course books are pretty essential (just get the level 2 book for now), they are as you say very targeted to the learning outcomes (what you'll be assessed on). If your college is signed up to the C&G SmartScreen thingie, that's well worth a look as well. To complement the course, the Trevor Linsley books (Basic Electrical Installation = level 2, Advanced Electrical Installation = level 3) put a slightly more colloquial slant on things. They follow the syllabus pretty well, and are very readable. The Chris Kitcher book ("Practical Guide to Inspection, Testing, and Certification of Electrical Installations") might be useful later on (probably not so much on level 2) as it has lots of photographs and explains that aspect of the trade very nicely (be aware, though, there are quite a few errors in the example questions and some of the theory is a bit out of date, in the 3rd edition that I've got.)

There are quite a lot of formulae, yep, but the important ones you will use so often that they will sink in, and the less important ones you'll just have to cram for the exams, and thereafter know where to look to find them and how to apply them.

The level 2 course has a lot more practical emphasis, and is probably the most "fun" of the two. By the sound of it you'll breeze the practical stuff. The level 3 stuff is mostly theory, but there's some great stuff in there about fault finding, inspection and testing, and installation design.

I start teaching the Level 2 course on Tuesday for the first time (so I guess I'm a trainee tutor, lol!), or the theory parts of it at least. Meanwhile I am just starting my NVQ3, so still very much learning on the practical side of things. If you've got questions on theory or concepts, then give us a shout... we won't do your homework for you, but we'll be very happy to help you get stuff sorted in your head.

Very best of luck on they journey, and enjoy the ride!

 

[bigash]

Thank you Steve. Ah ha now I have a few more books to add to the to read list.I must admit if there is something that I do not know Google is usually my first port of call and then if I still dont understand the forum comes into play.I bet your looking forward to Tuesday as well as dreading it....Good luck for teaching at least most people that are there are wanting to learn, instead of secondary school kids not wanting to be there.

 

[Simonslimline]

I bought the Trevor Linsley books, both basic and advanced.

On the 2357 level 3 theory, I found everything we covered was in the advanced book. So well worth getting these books. :book:

 

[not_today]

i am hoping to start my course in september and have been reading though a few books and websites.

biggest advice i can give ... get a library card all the books you require are in their catalogue including the ost. sorry to insult your intelligence if you already have one.
i am lucky that where i work there is a "knowledge centre" as it is part of the council and by sheer coincidence, all the electrical instillation books i require are there ..... the universe is trying to tell me something i think!!

my biggest weakness is maths so i have started from the bottom with this book from the library, the librarian actually laughed at me but when i told her i wanted to better my life and have more prospects, she congratulated me:

Basic Maths For Dummies (UK Edition): Amazon.co.uk: Colin Beveridge: 9781119974529: Books - looking at the price, i think i might just buy it .... It's gonna get my brain matter working again, it's been working in other ways other the years (dealing with screaming teenagers and currently irate customers)

if a 30 year old hasnt played football since he was 18, he's not have the fitness or "game awareness" to keep up with those that have. there’s no difference in learning.

my plan is to finish work 1:30, head to the library for an hours study then hit the gym for the next 2 months ......

all of this depends on how i get on with this job trail (see my thread)

send me your email address pal and i can save you a few quid on books!

Sam

 

[Spearmint]

I've completed level two, currently working through level three. The C&G 2365 books really do have almost everything in them, the course is modelled the same way. I'd definitely get them. Unfortunately the level two wasn't out until almost 3/4 of the way through my level two but got an equivalent.

Enjoy it though, level three is all inspection and testing with some theory sprinkled on top. No installation work.

 

[Leo_chaos]

Quick question, in the theory based lessons is anyone getting much teaching involved?
My tutor just kind of puts up slides for a few mins, then gives out handouts, also kind of flitting about on the subjects, rather than focusing on learning one part, we do a bit of one, then a bit of another, a few weeks later a bit more of the first subject lol

 

[Paul.M]

Quick question, in the theory based lessons is anyone getting much teaching involved?
My tutor just kind of puts up slides for a few mins, then gives out handouts, also kind of flitting about on the subjects, rather than focusing on learning one part, we do a bit of one, then a bit of another, a few weeks later a bit more of the first subject lol

This is the type of questions we are all here for, the Mentors and Trainees will help everyone on these kind of questions. Anything that you are unsure of or dont fully understand, start a new thread and ask. You wont find a nicer bunch of people on the internet then us lot.

Ps welcome to the TS.

 

[Leesparkykent]

:welcome: Leo.

 

[Leo_chaos]

Cheers for the welcome
I'm not struggling to keep up really, it just seems rather unorganised to me, and since there's others in here on the same course was just wondering if it's like that for everyone, or just my tutor lol

 

[pennychew]

Cheers for the welcome
I'm not struggling to keep up really, it just seems rather unorganised to me, and since there's others in here on the same course was just wondering if it's like that for everyone, or just my tutor lol

Hi mate, im on the second year of the level 2 and our course is quite well organised and structured to be honest... we do a lot of slides and handouts as well but they all seem relevant.

I have posted up the schedule of works from last year somewhere if you want to compare it against what you are doing?

I'll try and find the thread for you...

 

[Leo_chaos]

It's the tutors first year teaching, so was just working out if it's him or the course lol
Answers the question tbh, we did 2 classes on 210 before our exam, it was easy but also a bit sprung on us

 

[pennychew]

It's the tutors first year teaching, so was just working out if it's him or the course lol
Answers the question tbh, we did 2 classes on 210 before our exam, it was easy but also a bit sprung on us

Is 210 the 'comunicating with others in the construction industry' thing?

 

[Leo_chaos]

Is 210 the 'comunicating with others in the construction industry' thing?

Yeah, basic one I know but there's people in my class that haven't had any industry experience and we got the first hand out one week and told the exam was in 2 weeks lol.
Out classes are the evening classes so they're about 2 hours long normally too

 

[pennychew]

Yeah, basic one I know but there's people in my class that haven't had any industry experience and we got the first hand out one week and told the exam was in 2 weeks lol.
Out classes are the evening classes so they're about 2 hours long normally too

I think we did about 6 or 7 weeks on that one believe it or not! Our college seems to be one of the only ones that does a full day each week rather than two evenings

 

[Leo_chaos]

I started in September, we've had 1 week where tutors couldn't get in, a week where theory tutor was ill and 2 weeks practical tutor couldn't get in but 1 of those the tutor in next class popped in to our room a couple of times so we didn't miss another week

 

[pennychew]

My college has been spot on but to be totally honest with you I've still probably learnt more from reading threads in here and the general forum than I have at college!

 

[Leo_chaos]

I've generally been looking up whatever it is we're doing, and learning more that way if there's anything I don't understand, apart from things he seems to forget to tell us there's only the maths that has some stumbles, a lot of different formulas and methods in a small amount of time lol.
My way of thinking is i want to know WHY I'm supposed to do things in a certain way, tutors reply has been "Dunno, that's just how you do it" and on a maths question "That's just the rules" lol .. most of the maths is mainly me and my mate teaching ourselves.

Still enjoying the course overall, especially compared to past courses lol

 

[pennychew]

I've generally been looking up whatever it is we're doing, and learning more that way if there's anything I don't understand, apart from things he seems to forget to tell us there's only the maths that has some stumbles, a lot of different formulas and methods in a small amount of time lol.
My way of thinking is i want to know WHY I'm supposed to do things in a certain way, tutors reply has been "Dunno, that's just how you do it" and on a maths question "That's just the rules" lol .. most of the maths is mainly me and my mate teaching ourselves.

Still enjoying the course overall, especially compared to past courses lol

Couldn't agree more, go in get the basics and the outline of what you need to be learning then study at a greater depth in your own time. There's some great resources on here as well like the pdf downloads sticky thread and some older threads on the maths which helped me a lot when I did the 202