Don't agree. There's no reg against putting in trunking on the ---- but i'd still challenge it.
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There is a line between rough as a badgers arse and dangerous. Any electrician that cares about Thier work won't have to be worried, the shysters and the seat-of-the-pants , the lash it on, flick a switch 'it works don't it?" Sparks on the other hand....
Caught the arse-end of an E5 webinar last night that was genuinely interesting and it focused on Chapter 13 and transposition to EAWR regulations, how (with not much effort) you can turn a non-statutory 'regulation' into a statutory regulation in the correct sense of the work
Once you've got the chapter 13 violations and transposing to EAWR, you can then build on that foundation with other regulations from parts 4, 5 & 7. It's certainly something I'm going to be exploring more and bettering my understanding of .
Same regulations apply here, just no Part P of building regs.
Gonna speak with him in Saturday, gonna pay him for what he has done so far, but tell him I have gotten some one else to complete the rest of the work. Second part of the job was to do some garden lighting and another shed.
Yes everything is working, haven't received a test cert, didn't think to ask for one at beginning of job, but will ask for one when I make payment.
The new chap was able to tell me exactly what needed fixing, I didn't even have to say a word. That give me confidence that it will be put right and rest of job will be good.
I can still reuse the rest of the install, just tidy it up.
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The person paying the bill.
Cable/conductor support for final connections/IP ratings/ installation practice are three of the poor design and installation \s I would question.
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You can't but that is why 134.1.1 exists and where peer discussion comes into its own; I'd like to think there isn't a single electrician or even learner on here that would see no gland use as anything other than poor workmanship, I mean how do you defend it?
As above; peers, either other sparks or if they're part of a CPS then the area assessor for that CPS, I can't see any defending that lash up.
There is a line between rough as a badgers arse and dangerous. Any electrician that cares about Thier work won't have to be worried, the shysters and the seat-of-the-pants , the lash it on, flick a switch 'it works don't it?" Sparks on the other hand....
Chapter 13 is all you need, if you have an installation that breaches one of the fundamentals then it needs rethinking, redesigning and redoing.
Caught the arse-end of an E5 webinar last night that was genuinely interesting and it focused on Chapter 13 and transposition to EAWR regulations, how (with not much effort) you can turn a non-statutory 'regulation' into a statutory regulation in the correct sense of the work
Once you've got the chapter 13 violations and transposing to EAWR, you can then build on that foundation with other regulations from parts 4, 5 & 7. It's certainly something I'm going to be exploring more and bettering my understanding of .
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Same regulations apply here, just no Part P of building regs.
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What if that person hasn't got a clue what's a decent job and what isn't? Say this was that person's house and they said it was good - does that mean it's good?
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I really don't think you can dismiss 134/good workmanship. I don't think it just means it should look neat although that is part of the craft. I think it means workmanship that will avoid danger to life or property. If the armour is not earthed I can see scenarios arising that someone could be electrocuted. In which case not taking into account manufacturers instructions that no doubt include using a gland to properly terminate the SWA would be poor and dangerous workmanship. Harm arising from that would mean there would be no defence in saying you followed regulations/statute i.e. being competent to avoid danger to person etc. as per EAWR due to poor workmanship.
Thanks for all your input everyone. Interesting to see everyone's take and I learned a little as well ?
Had another electrician take a look today, he agreed that it was not a professional job and is going to make it good for me. Said he would be redoing connections on both ends in line with what you all suggested.
Had another electrician take a look today, he agreed that it was not a professional job and is going to make it good for me. Said he would be redoing connections on both ends in line with what you all suggested.
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What was the outcome with the original "electrician" if you don't mind me asking?
Have you spoke to him about it?
Have you spoke to him about it?
Gonna speak with him in Saturday, gonna pay him for what he has done so far, but tell him I have gotten some one else to complete the rest of the work. Second part of the job was to do some garden lighting and another shed.
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Keep it simple @mjjm986 . You're going to get confused by all the differing advice and viewpoints on the forum if you try and take it all in and understand every post. Just get the new guy out and let him sort it out.
I think it would be harsh not to pay the original chap at all. However much the new guy charges to put it right, take that amount off from what you were going to pay the other chap.
I think it would be harsh not to pay the original chap at all. However much the new guy charges to put it right, take that amount off from what you were going to pay the other chap.
Are you going to pay him for the bits that have to be redone?
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Are the sockets and light in your shed working at the minute? Did the original bloke give you a test certificate?
Yes everything is working, haven't received a test cert, didn't think to ask for one at beginning of job, but will ask for one when I make payment.
Will definitely pay him, I've no problem with that, for me it's not about the money, more about peace of mind with it being my elderly parents house.
The new chap was able to tell me exactly what needed fixing, I didn't even have to say a word. That give me confidence that it will be put right and rest of job will be good.
I can still reuse the rest of the install, just tidy it up.
Was thinking I just pay him what he's charged up to now and move on.
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Would it be even cheekier for me to ask how much he quoted you?
I wouldn't have a problem paying him if he was asking for what that standard of work deserves which is probably the cost of the parts only.
I wouldn't have a problem paying him if he was asking for what that standard of work deserves which is probably the cost of the parts only.
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You seem like the type of person who would feel guilty about paying any less, so I guess you just pay and move on, as you said ?
Will cost me £320.
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If you mean the initial blokes charging you that there's no way he would be getting it.
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