Unwanted double socket

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stevieh

I've removed stud walls between two first floor bedrooms to create one large room.
The double socket outlet that was on the stud wall is now just sticking up through the floor.
What is the safe way to remove it?
 
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with the circuit isolated, take the cables out, pull back under floor, join with wagos in an enclosure. if they won't pull out, then cut under floor and strip and join as previous.
 
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You could just use a sharp shovel and slice the cables flush with floorboards? But Telectrix solution is probably more sensible. You could even get an electrician in, to do the job more safely & professionally. You could take up the flooring for the electrician if you wanted to save a few penny's. Sparky might even be able remove offending cables by rewiring the circuit..
 
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Just thinking, that if it's a spur, then the simple option would be to disconnect the cable at the origin of the spur and just cut the cable where it comes out of the floor.
 
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stevieh said:
I've removed stud walls between two first floor bedrooms to create one large room.
The double socket outlet that was on the stud wall is now just sticking up through the floor.
What is the safe way to remove it?
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Consult a local spark? Internet advice isn't always the best.
 
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think OP has had good advice here. if he's competent to do it, then fine. if he's not, then employ a spark. sssimplessss.
 
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I'm in Keswick on my hols at the moment, if you have a shovel I could pop over. Seriously though, it partly depends on how many cables are at this socket and what floor covering is going over it as it will probably be classed as inaccessible if in the middle of the room in my view. Get a local spark in; would probably only take an hour ish to sort out properly.
 
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TheGayOwl said:
Yep, cheers for that. Very useful stuff.
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There have been quite a few sarcastic responses to this, for obvious reasons. If the OP has to ask such a question then the only conclusion is that he needs to get a spark in to do it. If I was to be more useful I could have made many suggestions but there is no point is there? I wasn't inferring anything about your competency at all, I think you missed the irony.
 
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sparksburnout said:
There have been quite a few sarcastic responses to this, for obvious reasons. If the OP has to ask such a question then the only conclusion is that he needs to get a spark in to do it. If I was to be more useful I could have made many suggestions but there is no point is there? I wasn't inferring anything about your competency at all, I think you missed the irony.
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that reminds me. time to wake the missus up. there's a tub full of ironing to be done.
 
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sparksburnout said:
There have been quite a few sarcastic responses to this, for obvious reasons. If the OP has to ask such a question then the only conclusion is that he needs to get a spark in to do it. If I was to be more useful I could have made many suggestions but there is no point is there? I wasn't inferring anything about your competency at all, I think you missed the irony.
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Me and GO both - I missed the point of your response too. As for the 'if he's got to ask he needs a spark' - I've asked loads of questions on this forum, perhaps I should get a job flipping burgers instead.
 
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hightower said:
Me and GO both - I missed the point of your response too. As for the 'if he's got to ask he needs a spark' - I've asked loads of questions on this forum, perhaps I should get a job flipping burgers instead.
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don't think with your knowledge to date that you would need to ask a question as per the OP. as far as i have read your previous posts, any questions that you , personally . have put to the forum, have been sensible, well thought out posts commensurate with your trainee level. respect.
 
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telectrix said:
don't think with your knowledge to date that you would need to ask a question as per the OP. as far as i have read your previous posts, any questions that you , personally . have put to the forum, have been sensible, well thought out posts commensurate with your trainee level. respect.
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Cheers tel - but my point is I only ask questions in subjects I'm not exactly competent in, otherwise what'd be the point in asking questions?

The OP apparently has a degree in electronics, so I'd assume a certain level of competency exists with him? He might have an idea how to do it already, but perhaps is just seeking advice as there may be a better way - for example he might have intention to use a JB but then gets advice to use a MF fitting. I guess I just don't agree with the attitude 'if he's got to ask then he shouldn't be asking' - statements like that are a generalisation that applies to more members than just the 'incompetent' OP.
 
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agreed. sometimes posts are worded poorly, giving us the impression that the OP is thick, but on the other hand, some of the replies are either elitist or a put down. it can be easy to misinterpret a post on a forum as opposed to a face to face query. if in doubt, i generally give the OP the benefit of the doubt where a question may seem silly,just because of the way it's worded.
 
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telectrix said:
agreed. sometimes posts are worded poorly, giving us the impression that the OP is thick, but on the other hand, some of the replies are either elitist or a put down. it can be easy to misinterpret a post on a forum as opposed to a face to face query. if in doubt, i generally give the OP the benefit of the doubt where a question may seem silly,just because of the way it's worded.
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Exactly tel and I think others have done the same - the OP has had a wealth of advice as well as a polite message that if it is out of his competency level to get a spark in. Just the elitist (perfect expression I think) replies apply a sweeping statement that applies to DIYers, trainees, and seasoned sparks alike.

'If you need to ask you shouldn't be asking' defeats the point of having a forum on the subject.
 
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SBO, ok, obviously I did this miss the irony. My recommendation to the OP was to get a spark in, highlighting the fact it is a small job, which will hopefully encourage the OP to get it "sorted properly" !
 
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As far as I can tell from the OP's profile, he or she has no qualifications as an electrician nor is a trainee. We have no idea of the OP's skill base. The OP asks a very rudimentary question, and offers no suggestions as to the possible answers.
I've seen various similar threads in a similar vane (how to install a luminaire to an existing ceiling rose e.g.). Most of these people have been advised to employ the services of an electrician or the post has been moved to the DIY section.
Just because the OP has a degree in Electronic Engineering, I do not see why that advice should change.
 
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telectrix said:
with the circuit isolated, take the cables out, pull back under floor, join with wagos in an enclosure. if they won't pull out, then cut under floor and strip and join as previous.
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Needs to be a maintenance free joint or connector under floorboards (not easily accessable) as Wago’s are not tested and registered as suitable for maintenance free joints (although Wago’s with a suitable strain relief enclosure are as good as any maintenance free joint in my opinion).
 
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hightower said:
Exactly tel and I think others have done the same - the OP has had a wealth of advice as well as a polite message that if it is out of his competency level to get a spark in. Just the elitist (perfect expression I think) replies apply a sweeping statement that applies to DIYers, trainees, and seasoned sparks alike.

'If you need to ask you shouldn't be asking' defeats the point of having a forum on the subject.
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I agree with Tel, you personally do not ask advice for such rudimentary and simple tasks. Surely this forum is for Electricians who may have unusual or more complex issues they wish to DISCUSS. As is so often the case our OP has not done so. I do not think the forum is supposed to be a step by step guide to doing something as simple as removing a socket from an RFC, wherever it might be.
 
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sparksburnout said:
Surely this forum is for Electricians who may have unusual or more complex issues they wish to DISCUSS. As is so often the case our OP has not done so. I do not think the forum is supposed to be a step by step guide to doing something as simple as removing a socket from an RFC, wherever it might be.
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Why has it got a DIY section then?
 
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TheGayOwl said:
Is that directed to me? If so then feel free to articulate what the duck you are on about, cos I am well n truly lost by your statement.....
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I *think* the chap was making a tongue in cheek joke, as in "Sort it out properly? In this economy? Nooo! Surely the way is to just bodge it, that's what EVERYONE does these days... Sort it out properly indeed, anyone would think this was an electricians forum for proper advice from qualified people..." - I don't think he meant anything by it and certainly not anything aimed at you... I suspect that face to face the tongue in cheek sarcasm might have been more obvious. That's what I'm guessing was meant, anyway. I could be wrong! :o)
 
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sparksburnout said:
There have been quite a few sarcastic responses to this, for obvious reasons. If the OP has to ask such a question then the only conclusion is that he needs to get a spark in to do it. If I was to be more useful I could have made many suggestions but there is no point is there? I wasn't inferring anything about your competency at all, I think you missed the irony.
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At this point, according to the OP's profile, he's not been back on since posting!
 
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The 'safe way' would be to disconnect the cables, pull them out and connect the socket(s) connected to the one you're removing and reconnect them with an unbroken length of cable.
 
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That's all very well but realistically could turn an hours work into a right mission in some situations with the associated labour costs, what if one 'leg' goes off under the floor to a downstairs socket and the other off to another room etc etc , connecting the two ends properly and safely out of harms way in a suitable enclosure is perfectly acceptable and professional imo.
 
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fall-apart-dave said:
I *think* the chap was making a tongue in cheek joke, as in "Sort it out properly? In this economy? Nooo! Surely the way is to just bodge it, that's what EVERYONE does these days... Sort it out properly indeed, anyone would think this was an electricians forum for proper advice from qualified people..." - I don't think he meant anything by it and certainly not anything aimed at you... I suspect that face to face the tongue in cheek sarcasm might have been more obvious. That's what I'm guessing was meant, anyway. I could be wrong! :o)
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I thought I was a bit slow on the uptake when it comes to sarcastic comments. I will try and be a bit more obvious in future. Anyway 10/10 you got it spot on Capt Mannering.
 
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sparksburnout said:
I thought I was a bit slow on the uptake when it comes to sarcastic comments. I will try and be a bit more obvious in future. Anyway 10/10 you got it spot on Capt Mannering.
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Probably a good idea - like I say it went well over my head, I'm one of the most sarcastic people I know, but it's really not that easy picking up on it on a forum.
 
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Dave OCD said:
That's all very well but realistically could turn an hours work into a right mission in some situations with the associated labour costs, what if one 'leg' goes off under the floor to a downstairs socket and the other off to another room etc etc , connecting the two ends properly and safely out of harms way in a suitable enclosure is perfectly acceptable and professional imo.
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Like most things it depends on the situation. In an ideal situation an unbroken cable would be preferable to joining the cable.
 
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