Warning Labels inside consumer unit lid

[static zap]

I'd love to think so, miss the old R/Y/B three core.

It was so simple , any colour meant danger .
As for new stuff ,
Grey isn't even a colour , and Blue is how we feel about it !

 

[telectrix]

Fingers crossed the UK will revert to the proper colours in a couple of years......

hang on. what was that just went past my window? ahhh.that flying pig again.

 

[telectrix]

It was so simple , any colour meant danger .
As for new stuff ,
Grey isn't even a colour , and Blue is how we feel about it !

agreed. primary colours mean danger, even in the animal world. ever seen a brown and grey wasp?

 

[Dave OCD]

Still got a bit of 'old' cable somewhere , miss the white sheath too, much more discreet for a little bit of clipping along the skirting board.

 

[Dave OCD]

agreed. primary colours mean danger, even in the animal world. ever seen a brown and grey wasp?

The EU harmonised Wasp is still being developed Tel, hopefully they won't sting the UK for any more funding towards it though.

 

[stevethesparks]

They often fail to meet the required times when testing for an EICR or alteration/addition job due to not being operated for years, but after a couple of 'trips' they're generally fine again .

They are not fine again, if they fail on the first operation then they need replacing.

 

[Dave OCD]

They often fail to meet the required times when testing for an EICR or alteration/addition job due to not being operated for years, but after a couple of 'trips' they're generally fine again .

They are not fine again, if they fail on the first operation then they need replacing.

Really ? So you test an RCD with your meter, one that may not have been tested in any way for years- it fails on the first test by a few milliseconds- so you now insist it must be replaced even if the next and subsequent tests are all well within spec ? I think that's ridiculous, are you Dave Sparks in disguise ?

 

[davesparks]

Really ? So you test an RCD with your meter, one that may not have been tested in any way for years- it fails on the first test by a few milliseconds- so you now insist it must be replaced even if the next and subsequent tests are all well within spec ? I think that's ridiculous, are you Dave Sparks in disguise ?

How long will it remain operational for after you've tripped it a few times?

 

[stevethesparks]

My way of thinking is that the first test may have been the rcd actually in action / fault condition, before anyone has had a chance to free it up. So if you fit and test a brand new rcd that will not meet requirements on its first test, but appears ok on subsequent tests, do you let it go or get the free replacement?
It would have to be a good disguise, I'm about twice he's age (but more handsome)

 

[davesparks]

Surely the longer it has been since the colour change the more the warning label is required as it is no longer fresh in people's minds.

A label which states that there are different colours used, but doesn't tell you what those colours are doesn't really help very much for someone who isn't already aware of what the colours are?

 

[davesparks]

Fingers crossed the UK will revert to the proper colours in a couple of years......

Which proper colours? Red yellow blue, red white blue, red white green or any of the other different colour schemes which have been used in the U.K. over the last century!

 

[stevethesparks]

How long will it remain operational for after you've tripped it a few times?

Better put than me, thank you.

 

[telectrix]

Still got a bit of 'old' cable somewhere , miss the white sheath too, much more discreet for a little bit of clipping along the skirting board.

get some LSF T/E then.

 

[Dave OCD]

How long will it remain operational for after you've tripped it a few times?

Well if the end user operates it on the test button regularly as advised to prevent the 'stiction' described by Risteard there's no reason why it won't provide reliable service, a brand new one will inevitably be slow over time if not operated regularly.

 

[Dave OCD]

Which proper colours? Red yellow blue, red white blue, red white green or any of the other different colour schemes which have been used in the U.K. over the last century!

But the warning label refers to colours to 'two versions of BS7671' , the wiring regulations certainly haven't had that reference for 100 years !

 

[Toneyz]

and don't for get to put on danger 240 label on , they love them !

not needed

 

[davesparks]

But the warning label refers to colours to 'two versions of BS7671' , the wiring regulations certainly haven't had that reference for 100 years !

I was replying to the comment that we could return to the 'proper' colours soon, not to anything about the label.

 

[stevethesparks]

Well if the end user operates it on the test button regularly as advised to prevent the 'stiction' described by Risteard there's no reason why it won't provide reliable service, a brand new one will inevitably be slow over time if not operated regularly.

sorry but think you are grasping at straws there, you cant be relying on the end user to keep an RCD maintained. If you nailed the 3 monthly test notice on their heads, most would still not do it as it upsets the clocks around the house.

 

[Dave OCD]

I agree Steve, but replacing it after failing just one test won't change anything, the new one will become exactly the same without being operated so IMO it's just a waste of time and money. Would you give an EICR an unsatisfactory overall assessment if the RCD/s were over the permitted time on the first test only ?

 

[Dave OCD]

I was replying to the comment that we could return to the 'proper' colours soon, not to anything about the label.

Ah ok, but surely it's pretty obvious which 'proper colours' the poster would be referring to, hardly an antiquated system long gone eh ?

 

[telectrix]

RCD test procedure needs rewriting. T1...hit with hammer. T2 connect MFT and press test buttons.

 

[Midwest]

All this RCD testing; can some of the more competent bods on here, can tell me how confident I can be that my RFC mcb gonna trip, after I've been sticking nails in my sockets terminals like deranged diy'er.

 

[stevethesparks]

I agree Steve, but replacing it after failing just one test won't change anything, the new one will become exactly the same without being operated so IMO it's just a waste of time and money. Would you give an EICR an unsatisfactory overall assessment if the RCD/s were over the permitted time on the first test only ?

Apart from covering my arse and sleeping well (apart from the 03:00 pee every morning) as davesparks has said, how long will it remain operational?
It may seem over the top, but it will be your call on your next eicr or RCD test.
I would note that it failed with the recommendation that it be replaced and IMO it would warrant a C2. It had obviously been sticking, and you have no guarantee that it it will not stick again nor how soon.

 

[davesparks]

Ah ok, but surely it's pretty obvious which 'proper colours' the poster would be referring to, hardly an antiquated system long gone eh ?

My point is more that the colours have changed a few times over the years, and no doubt the same complaints have been made about returning to proper colours.

 

[Risteard]

A label which states that there are different colours used, but doesn't tell you what those colours are doesn't really help very much for someone who isn't already aware of what the colours are?

It does advise them to verify the function of each conductor though. They have then been warned to check this before working on it, so there is no real need for it to state what the colours mean (or, more accurately, what they should mean if the correct designations have been used).

 

[Risteard]

not needed

And also not correct, as the voltage is 230V!

 

[HandySparks]

My point is more that the colours have changed a few times over the years, and no doubt the same complaints have been made about returning to proper colours.

Perhaps.
You've got to admit that the current colours are pretty dire. A return to almost anything else would be an improvement.

 

[davesparks]

Perhaps.
You've got to admit that the current colours are pretty dire. A return to almost anything else would be an improvement.

Yes they are dire, but I don't think a return to brighter colours is going to happen, or be sensible.
Changing colours again is only going to lead to further confusion, particularly if black and blue were to switch roles again.

 

[westward10]

Just bring out another notice, "This Installtion Has Conductor Identification to Three Different Versions, or is that two where one maybe the new colours of the old colours before we changed to the new colours which are now old colours because we are now using the new colours which used to be the really old colours of BS7671".

 

[davesparks]

Why don't we give the USA colour scheme a go, black for live (plus red and blue for TP) and white for neutral.
I'm thinking we could have a two year trial to see how everyone gets along with it