whole house audio / visual advice please

[wsoppitt]

help please guys / girls.
I am rewiring my house and want to include a system so that I can watch movies / listen to music in any room from a central computer or harddrive and also create mood lighting.
How would I wire for this ?
I have attempted this and would like some help before I plaster.
each media point has 3 x cat5e going to a central point ( hub )
each media point has 3 x coax going to loft
10 x coax between loft and central point ( hub )
4 core speaker cable from each room via single backbox next to light switch to hub
cat5e cable from each light switch to hub
cctv cables from external points to hub
each light switch is wired seperatly in 3 core back to hub
hub is to house all mains / consumer unit and telephone incomer aswell as all data/cat5 and 10 x coax.

Does this sound like overkill or have I missed something?

 

[telectrix]

sorry mate, beyond my skill level. i'd just leave doors open an strategically place a few mirrors.

 

[Silly Sausage]

sorry mate, beyond my skill level. i'd just leave doors open an strategically place a few mirrors.

Like Alan Partridge :smilielol5:

 

[Ib≤In≤Iz]

help please guys / girls.
I am rewiring my house and want to include a system so that I can watch movies / listen to music in any room from a central computer or harddrive and also create mood lighting.
How would I wire for this ?
I have attempted this and would like some help before I plaster.
each media point has 3 x cat5e going to a central point ( hub )
each media point has 3 x coax going to loft
10 x coax between loft and central point ( hub )
4 core speaker cable from each room via single backbox next to light switch to hub
cat5e cable from each light switch to hub
cctv cables from external points to hub
each light switch is wired seperatly in 3 core back to hub
hub is to house all mains / consumer unit and telephone incomer aswell as all data/cat5 and 10 x coax.

Does this sound like overkill or have I missed something?

Are you talking about streaming media (DLNA) or something?

A bit more clarification might help.

 

[TJ Anderson]

Seems pretty well covered. I Have HDMI, CAT5 & Coax at every TV point. HDMI does SKY HD, Coax for Remote & Terrestrial overlaid. You can run HDMI over Cat 5 if you wish.

 

[telectrix]

HDMI being some new-fangled thing that won't fit in any of your gear, so you have to bin it all and buy new stuff.just so the manufactured pop music "bands" sound even crappier. worse than bloody car manufacturers.

 

[shanky887614]

bassically cat5 from each room to one point.

a media server goes through your router anyway so that will work for you.

 

[TJ Anderson]

HDMI being some new-fangled thing that won't fit in any of your gear, so you have to bin it all and buy new stuff.just so the manufactured pop music "bands" sound even crappier. worse than bloody car manufacturers.

Come on.... don't tell me you have not bought a new telly in the last 12 years

 

[telectrix]

never bough a new telly in my life. my dad bought one in 1973. a decca with valves for the line output stage. kept the living room warm as well.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Come on.... don't tell me you have not bought a new telly in the last 12 years

Tel's got a garage full of old tellies from his Rumbelows days

 

[telectrix]

Tel's got a garage full of old tellies from his Rumbelows days

haha. thereby lies a tale. worked for them 1972/73. morris 1000 van was my company vehicle. 3 tellys in the back and the front wheels were off the road.

 

[Ib≤In≤Iz]

Betamax is as far back as I can remember lol

 

[telectrix]

once had a philips 2000 VCR. them and betamax were stuffed by thorn who made vhs under the brand name ferguson and others. they also owned a large proportion of the retail and rental outlets and so killed off the competition's superior quality machines all for the sake of their corporate profits.

 

[driverman]

Blimey, Thought I was the only one who had a Phillips 2000! You could record on both sides of the tape.

 

[Anthony S]

Blimey, Thought I was the only one who had a Phillips 2000! You could record on both sides of the tape.

They were a pile of sh*t you couldn't get films to watch on them and when the VHS came out they were £500 all those years ago must been 35 years I reckon.

 

[TJ Anderson]

When I was a kid we had VHS but we also still had a Betamax with the remote..... on a lead

 

[driverman]

They were a pile of sh*t you couldn't get films to watch on them and when the VHS came out they were £500 all those years ago must been 35 years I reckon.

I had no probs with it, recorded well and a wide selection of films to hire. Possibly in the 80's. Was bulky compared to todays machines!

 

[Silly Sausage]

haha. thereby lies a tale. worked for them 1972/73. morris 1000 van was my company vehicle. 3 tellys in the back and the front wheels were off the road.

I vaguely remembered you mentioned in the past that you used to fix TVs, Rumbs was just the first place that came to mind!

 

[Anthony S]

I had no probs with it, recorded well and a wide selection of films to hire. Possibly in the 80's. Was bulky compared to todays machines!

35 years was just 1980 I reckon lol was not mine though, the old man bought it with a top of range telly off someone who came down from North with them. The pair were worth about £1,200 all them years ago, he paid about a monkey I think.

 

[Anthony S]

once had a philips 2000 VCR. them and betamax were stuffed by thorn who made vhs under the brand name ferguson and others. they also owned a large proportion of the retail and rental outlets and so killed off the competition's superior quality machines all for the sake of their corporate profits.

All those buildings used to exist in Enfield, Brimsdown all them years ago and I worked in a few doing my time using conduit, trunking, tray, micc, swa etc

 

[R G]

once had a philips 2000 VCR. them and betamax were stuffed by thorn who made vhs under the brand name ferguson and others. they also owned a large proportion of the retail and rental outlets and so killed off the competition's superior quality machines all for the sake of their corporate profits.

Betamax was defo the better machine , I was working in the old Leccy boards showrooms around the time , and the prices of these machines was unbelievable when you see what they cost towards the end , I had the Phillips top loader video , it was the top of the range with ferguson as you say as well, all those video rental shops came and went quickly too...

I used to help my step brother fix the old tellys before that in the 70s , he bought ex rental redifusion tvs and repaired and sold them , they mainly were the old B/W tvs with the 405/625 lines with all the old valves and wooden cabinets ....

 

[specs]

Cat6/cat6a/ (future proof ) . from back of TV's HDMI.

 

[shanky887614]

Cat6/cat6a/ (future proof ) . from back of TV's HDMI.

its cat7 now mate.

over £50 for 100m

a box is £170

(cat6 is designed for 1gbps and 10gbps)

cat7 is designed specifically for 10gbps.

an ssd runs at 4gbps (500MB)

£90 for a 10gb dualport network card, an unmanaged switch could cost thousands

 

[wsoppitt]

its cat7 now mate.

over £50 for 100m

a box is £170

(cat6 is designed for 1gbps and 10gbps)

cat7 is designed specifically for 10gbps.

an ssd runs at 4gbps (500MB)

£90 for a 10gb dualport network card, an unmanaged switch could cost thousands

why is a dualport card necessary and what is an unmanaged switch ?

 

[shanky887614]

why is a dualport card necessary and what is an unmanaged switch ?

input and output on diy router.

Unmanaged switches are basic plug-and-play switches with no remote configuration, management, or monitoring options, although many can be locally monitored and configured via LED indicators and DIP switches


bassically an unmanaged switch lets you connect 10 devices to 1 ethernet port.


for example 1x 10gb port incoming from server to 4-20 devices with no need to configure the switch.



10gb ports wont be used for a long time for regular users, 1gbps internet is the fastest on earth comercially available.

besides no websites will allocate that amount of resources to one user

 

[DHES]

Have a look on the AV forums site there is a wealth of info and advice there. I went down the HDMI matrix route in my house and never looked back it's a great bit of kit but at £1700 it is a little expensive..

 

[shanky887614]

Have a look on the AV forums site there is a wealth of info and advice there. I went down the HDMI matrix route in my house and never looked back it's a great bit of kit but at £1700 it is a little expensive..

what is that hdmi matrix? sounds expensive for what it is

 

[DHES]

Essentially a central hub far all audio and video my one does 3 beds, dining and living room and also my garage for when it gets converted into a home cinema. It saves having blu ray players and sky boxes in all rooms they are all in the central hub. (under stairs cupboard)

 

[DHES]

I got mine from A class technologies if any one is interested..

 

[shanky887614]

Essentially a central hub far all audio and video my one does 3 beds, dining and living room and also my garage for when it gets converted into a home cinema. It saves having blu ray players and sky boxes in all rooms they are all in the central hub. (under stairs cupboard)

much cheaper to set up a hpc server.

it can stream all your music etc to all your devices over Ethernet etc.

use anydvdhd then copy your blu-rays to your server and then you can stream to all your devices through your router.


if your careful with the parts you choice it wont need fans so it will be silent as well

 

[specs]

its cat7 now mate.

over £50 for 100m

a box is £170

(cat6 is designed for 1gbps and 10gbps)

cat7 is designed specifically for 10gbps.

an ssd runs at 4gbps (500MB)

£90 for a 10gb dualport network card, an unmanaged switch could cost thousands

so it looks like cat 6 6/a is the way forward then, as cat 7 is going beyond 99.9999% of peeps , however things might change in 15/20 years, just in time for your refurb, by which time I will be happy to be able to remember my name. Ps, you didn't mention HDMI.

 

[Tidy Max]

I have pulled 4 x cat6 to each of our rooms as well as shotgun coax, cctv cables and soon audio too.

I intend on having a hdmi matrix. My only concern at the moment is the processing speed of the matrix/hdbaseT senders that i use as i want to keepy my PS4 in the understairs cupboard to and stream that to each output device.

So there can be zero lag. I don't want to get blown away by a noobtube just because of abit of lag :|

 

[shanky887614]

so it looks like cat 6 6/a is the way forward then, as cat 7 is going beyond 99.9999% of peeps , however things might change in 15/20 years, just in time for your refurb, by which time I will be happy to be able to remember my name. Ps, you didn't mention HDMI.

hdmi over ethernet, future proof.

having cat5+ to each point going back to a central location allows easy upgrades in the future.

i have had that many pc parts fail on me i backup at least once a month to two seperate hard drives from different manufacturer's (not the same batch)

 

[shanky887614]

I have pulled 4 x cat6 to each of our rooms as well as shotgun coax, cctv cables and soon audio too.

I intend on having a hdmi matrix. My only concern at the moment is the processing speed of the matrix/hdbaseT senders that i use as i want to keepy my PS4 in the understairs cupboard to and stream that to each output device.

So there can be zero lag. I don't want to get blown away by a noobtube just because of abit of lag :|

that will be expensive getting a hub with 10gbps ports.

i was looking at some home server builds and a 2 port 10gbps nic (network interface card) starts at £90

 

[specs]

I have pulled 4 x cat6 to each of our rooms as well as shotgun coax, cctv cables and soon audio too.

I intend on having a hdmi matrix. My only concern at the moment is the processing speed of the matrix/hdbaseT senders that i use as i want to keepy my PS4 in the understairs cupboard to and stream that to each output device.

So there can be zero lag. I don't want to get blown away by a noobtube just because of abit of lag :|

I think you wlll have the noobtubes covered for a good few years yet, gold connect HDMI, not the cheapo's. In gaming every milisec counts.

 

[ruston]

Betamax is as far back as I can remember lol

Lol and the Phillips 2000 was a bit ahead of it's time too.

 

[shanky887614]

I think you wlll have the noobtubes covered for a good few years yet, gold connect HDMI, not the cheapo's. In gaming every milisec counts.

the gold ones make no difference, its a digital signal not analogue. its been proven.

there are many idiots out there, that is how monster cable gets away with charging hundreds for an ordinary cable

 

[specs]

the gold ones make no difference, its a digital signal not analogue. its been proven.

there are many idiots out there, that is how monster cable gets away with charging hundreds for an ordinary cable

Personal pref perhaps, I would never pay hundreds, and I dn't use 'monster' there are a multitude of suppliers, just google its simples.
But I still say Gold is better.

 

[Dcf]

The op sounds like he has got it covered tbf.
ive just done a cinema room at my brothers gaff so this might be of help to someone.
he has an octava hdmi matrix already feeding out from under the stairs hdmi over cat 6 to the TVs in the house .
this requires 2x cat 6 to send/receive ( though I think the newer version needs only one)
there is also a coax feeding freeview and a 3rd cat 6 doing Ethernet from a switch in the rack.
this works well feeding sky and blu Ray and the like.

when he planned his cinema room the boy he bought most of the tackle of said he had had issues over feeding av receivers with hdmi over cat 6 ( he also had something to "cure" this at are extra 250 notes!)
we decided to keep the cinema room stuff separate from the octava matrix( but I've run cables just in case)
the heart of it is a Sony av receiver7:2 amp which all the hdmi feeds from the blu Ray ps4 etc go into.
this feeds the speakers which are all flush including the sub( very neat)
the projector and screen are on lifts which come down from the roof so it can be a normal room if required.
this needs an additional send receive cable and relay box between the two items to work together btw
though some projectors and av amps have a12v signal out to do the same apparently.
1 hdmi to the projector and that's it.
it was relatively easy to set up tbh
you will need 11 grand for the kit mind though( not including installation natch)
cat 6 is plenty fast for this kind of stuff I think.
anyone who has used a proper network tester on a cat 6a network will tell you it's a pita to get to the certified specs.
one twist undone to much or a small kink and its start again time.so god knows what cat 7 will be like

 

[Tidy Max]

Flush speakers are so 2013, i do some LED work for a guy who specialises in plastered over speakers. Usually footballers houses that have incredibly loud cinema rooms with no speakers on show!........buggered if they break though

 

[specs]

The op sounds like he has got it covered tbf.
ive just done a cinema room at my brothers gaff so this might be of help to someone.
he has an octava hdmi matrix already feeding out from under the stairs hdmi over cat 6 to the TVs in the house .
this requires 2x cat 6 to send/receive ( though I think the newer version needs only one)
there is also a coax feeding freeview and a 3rd cat 6 doing Ethernet from a switch in the rack.
this works well feeding sky and blu Ray and the like.

when he planned his cinema room the boy he bought most of the tackle of said he had had issues over feeding av receivers with hdmi over cat 6 ( he also had something to "cure" this at are extra 250 notes!)
we decided to keep the cinema room stuff separate from the octava matrix( but I've run cables just in case)
the heart of it is a Sony av receiver7:2 amp which all the hdmi feeds from the blu Ray ps4 etc go into.
this feeds the speakers which are all flush including the sub( very neat)
the projector and screen are on lifts which come down from the roof so it can be a normal room if required.
this needs an additional send receive cable and relay box between the two items to work together btw
though some projectors and av amps have a12v signal out to do the same apparently.
1 hdmi to the projector and that's it.
it was relatively easy to set up tbh
you will need 11 grand for the kit mind though( not including installation natch)
cat 6 is plenty fast for this kind of stuff I think.
anyone who has used a proper network tester on a cat 6a network will tell you it's a pita to get to the certified specs.
one twist undone to much or a small kink and its start again time.so god knows what cat 7 will be like

maybe one day they will bring out a cable system who's integrity and performance does not rely on twists and kinks. I get this on simple home entry systems with vid.

 

[Tidy Max]

that will be expensive getting a hub with 10gbps ports.

i was looking at some home server builds and a 2 port 10gbps nic (network interface card) starts at £90

I dont fully understand the need for the hub shanky?

I intend on terminating all cat6s into a patch panel then for the cats6s that are going to be used for AV i was going to use a hdbaset matrix.

Where is the need for the hub as each cat6 will be working 'independantely'.

Or are ypu referring to the matrix as the hub as it will need to send 1 x hd signal to multiple sources simultaneously?

 

[shanky887614]

I dont fully understand the need for the hub shanky?

I intend on terminating all cat6s into a patch panel then for the cats6s that are going to be used for AV i was going to use a hdbaset matrix.

Where is the need for the hub as each cat6 will be working 'independantely'.

Or are ypu referring to the matrix as the hub as it will need to send 1 x hd signal to multiple sources simultaneously?

to be honest i meant a network switch either managed or unmanaged.

i meant more for a htpc or internet network/lan

and its a good idea to have at least 1X 10gbps port if there is going to be multiple people using it at once.

for example if i was to backup my pc over the network i would use 800mps+

if some of the other users wanted to connect to the same nas/server etc then it would go down to 500mbps each then split again for each aditional user.

(thats 62MB each if two devices are using it at once)