Smart Meters that can be installed at the Consumer Unit

Ray Pooley · Mar 11, 2022

Smart Meters that can be installed at the Consumer Unit.

For situations where a tenant wants the facility but the landlord doesn't want a a smart meter on their premises.

Does anyone know of such a device?

I'm thinking of something that can be installed outside of the CU monitoring the line inside the CU.

Between the main switch and, say, the RCDs or the busbar.

Cheers

snowhead · Mar 11, 2022

No need for additional meters, the Tenant has the right to have a "Smart" Meter installed.
The meter does not belong to the Landlord.

Ray Pooley · Mar 11, 2022

The landlord owns the property. The property is private. If he/she doesn't want a smart meter it's up to them. That quote from Ofgem doesn't say otherwise. The word is "unreasonably". The electricity company doesn't get to define that. Nor does the government. As far as I'm aware.

Anyway, that said, are you aware of a device such as the one I described?

pc1966 · Mar 11, 2022

Do they need to be accurate MID approved meters for billing, or do they simply want to see more or less how much power they are using during a day?

I think there are plenty of power monitors that are good enough and have fancy app interfaces if it is for general use management.

Ray Pooley · Mar 11, 2022

pc1966 said:
Do they need to be accurate MID approved meters for billing, or do they simply want to see more or less how much power they are using during a day?

I think there are plenty of power monitors that are good enough and have fancy app interfaces if it is for general use management.

Yes. For guidance really. In theory all you need is a continuous monitoring of the load on a time line.
The rest is software. You could use the same sort of induction technology that you find in a clamp meter.
So you just need a sensor that goes around the line in the CU with a battery operated wall mounted device
outside that reads the current and produces the data.
Do you have such a system in mind?

DPG · Mar 11, 2022

Ray Pooley said:
Yes. For guidance really. In theory all you need is a continuous monitoring of the load on a time line.
The rest is software. You could use the same sort of induction technology that you find in a clamp meter.
So you just need a sensor that goes around the line in the CU with a battery operated wall mounted device
outside that reads the current and produces the data.
Do you have such a system in mind?

What about an energy monitor such as Owl etc.

Avo Mk8 · Mar 11, 2022

Ray Pooley said:
Anyway, that said, are you aware of a device such as the one I described?

Yes, there are many current transformer based monitors available, installed as you suggest. From cheap DIY things on Amazon to professional MID certified devices.
Here's an example:

Elite Classic - Efergy

The Efergy Elite Classic Wireless Energy Monitor is the world's best selling in-home energy display (with over 500,000 units sold).

efergy.com

The simpler 'DIY' devices tend to have a battery powered CT transmitter, that is simple to install, but will need batteries changing. I think the "proper" MID approved type need hard wiring (but still use a CT), so a competent installer required.

Ray Pooley · Mar 11, 2022

DPG said:
What about an energy monitor such as Owl etc.

That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.
Don't know why I couldn't find that on the internet.
I guess it's knowing what to search for.
I will take a look at that.
I could do with one that has a pc application interface.

Cheers.

Ray Pooley · Mar 11, 2022

Avo Mk8 said:
Yes, there are many current transformer based monitors available, installed as you suggest. From cheap DIY things on Amazon to professional MID certified devices.
Here's an example:

Elite Classic - Efergy

The Efergy Elite Classic Wireless Energy Monitor is the world's best selling in-home energy display (with over 500,000 units sold).

efergy.com

The simpler 'DIY' devices tend to have a battery powered CT transmitter, that is simple to install, but will need batteries changing. I think the "proper" MID approved type need hard wiring (but still use a CT), so a competent installer required.

Got it. Thanks

Robson689 · Mar 11, 2022

Ray Pooley said:
The landlord owns the property. The property is private. If he/she doesn't want a smart meter it's up to them. That quote from Ofgem doesn't say otherwise. The word is "unreasonably". The electricity company doesn't get to define that. Nor does the government. As far as I'm aware.

Anyway, that said, are you aware of a device such as the one I described?

The landlord has absolutely no authority to prevent a smart meter from being installed

Ray Pooley · Mar 11, 2022

Robson689 said:
The landlord has absolutely no authority to prevent a smart meter from being installed

Like I said. It depends on what is deemed "unreasonable" and who deems it so.

I can't envisage the government breaking into a private property to force a smart meter on the owner on behalf of the electricity companies. Not yet at least.

Besides, it's never a good idea to pick a fight with the person who controls your rent payment or your tenancy. Not if you're happy where you are. About anything really and least of all a smart meter.

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