Clarification on Part P

[Johnuk]

I can not see how painters live day to day painting white walls all the time, it must be like xmas when there is some colour

 

[trev]

I can not see how painters live day to day painting white walls all the time, it must be like xmas when there is some colour

It's beyond me how it takes a long apprenticeship, especially when someone can be out wiring houses with only the 17th under their belt.

 

[Johnuk]

yea I know what you mean I know someone who has A levels in art and design but just paint to lol, have to say the company I work for are starting to get more work fixing low standard electrical work round are area

 

[Mainman]

There is soooo much confusion on this topic. Personally, I think this scheme is good, it just did not go far enough. Anything to regulate the industry is a good idea to keep the cowboys out. Unfortunately, it has driven the midnight cowboy and "weekend electrician" underground. Everyone in the industry complains and says "do a three day course and become registered to wire a house" I didn't hear much complaining before 2005 when painters, bakers, candlestick makers and basket weavers were attempting DIY electrics.

Part P is electrical safety. When doing domestics, you also confirm Part B - Fire Safety, Part L - Energy Conservation etc. Look at commercial specs and plans and believe it or not, you will see Part A, Part B, P and so on. The only difference is.....DIY Joe public will "have a go" - It must be ok it worked first time and didn't blow a fuse.

Notifying work is a solution but its not being policed

 

[trev]

Mainman, one of the major bugbears about Part P is that it is not fit for purpose. It was intended to regulate the trade and drive up standards but has failed on both counts, when sub standard electrical work is discovered and reported nothing is done by anyone and so it is proven that it has done nothing to counter the actions of the cowboy.
Furthermore, it is utterly ridiculous that someone who has only the 17th qualification is deemed competent to work in someone's house but a time served electrician is not solely because one has paid to join a scam and the other has not.
Yes, Joe Public has always had a go. Yes, there are more building regs that we have to comply with than part p but the situation as it stands is a farce no matter which way you dress it up

 

[shanky887614]

ask a plumber on any site if it will leak.

they will proudly respond saying " flooded bigger places than this"

lol they seem to run around more with buckets than actual plumbing

 

[Mainman]

I totally agree with you Trevor. It has just not gone far enough and is not being policed. Sorry....I stand corrected, the registered person is supposed to police it and bubble the non compliances.

Now I hear they are relaxing the rules in England (e.g kitchens) "to reduce the administrative burden on LABC's"

 

[Des 56]

There is soooo much confusion on this topic. Personally, I think this scheme is good, it just did not go far enough. Anything to regulate the industry is a good idea to keep the cowboys out. Unfortunately, it has driven the midnight cowboy and "weekend electrician" underground. Everyone in the industry complains and says "do a three day course and become registered to wire a house" I didn't hear much complaining before 2005 when painters, bakers, candlestick makers and basket weavers were attempting DIY electrics.

Part P is electrical safety. When doing domestics, you also confirm Part B - Fire Safety, Part L - Energy Conservation etc. Look at commercial specs and plans and believe it or not, you will see Part A, Part B, P and so on. The only difference is.....DIY Joe public will "have a go" - It must be ok it worked first time and didn't blow a fuse.

Notifying work is a solution but its not being policed

I always hope,but with little chance of respite, that posts such as this will dry up now the part p thing is to be chopped in all bar name (in England that is)we in Wales must suffer it yet more before our burden is also lifted

The two points I have underlined in your post are of such differing opinion to my own that chalk and cheese would be a better likeness

The first point I will answer very abrubptly
It is not good at all,it never was good at the outset, and its not good all these years later

The second point
Part P. far from keeping the cowboys out and improving standards,it has been such a calamatous mess that it has had the complete and opposite effect to your quote

In the rush for pound coins,the schemes who were permitted to administer the shambles, have been in a stampede to accumulate numbers,the entry criteria was set so low,even the government,who had shown no interest prior,were alarmed enough to publish damning warnings to them about their sub standard acceptance of competence levels

The consequences of the stampede of registering anyone with pound coins was that the trade became diluted with ill and non trained all sorts,these all sorts could now operate as registered all singing all dancing "Domestic installers" a term that should be consigned to the shameful book of history,courtesy of that abominable organisation the Niceic(the main and most prominent culprits of the destruction of this our trade)

Part P is and has been an insult to the trade of electrician

They have taken a section of an electricians remit and farmed it out to other trades as some sort of add on skill to allied trades
That farming out of part of our trade has degraded what an electrician is expected to embrace

It's all been a very shameful expensive slap in the face to the trade and it is waved a very fond good riddance

 

[Nivag316]

Part P is a waste of time i contacted our local building officer took my qualifactions down to his office and he put me on the register foc.
And it only applies to paid for work that is why saturday at B&Q everyone is queueing to buy db's and cable and sunday evening i earn £50 call out and £30 per hour putting it right.

 

[trev]

Part P is a waste of time i contacted our local building officer took my qualifactions down to his office and he put me on the register foc.
And it only applies to paid for work that is why saturday at B&Q everyone is queueing to buy db's and cable and sunday evening i earn £50 call out and £30 per hour putting it right.

Which register did he put you on?
Part P does not only cover paid work mate, if you read the approved document there's a schedule in there as to what it covers and what it doesn't.

 

[Nivag316]

He put me on the council register

 

[trev]

The council register of what mate?

 

[Robert Turnbull]

I think it means he can submit a test sheet directly to them to comply with part p

Do you have to pay?

 

[trev]

We know that's not how the CPS works though Robert. He may think he's scam registered but he's not. I reckon they've accepted his certs as a one off

 

[harrison2987]

We should start our own scheme, no fees only high standards opf work and good custmer feedback!!!

 

[Engineer54]

Part P is a waste of time i contacted our local building officer took my qualifactions down to his office and he put me on the register foc.
And it only applies to paid for work that is why saturday at B&Q everyone is queueing to buy db's and cable and sunday evening i earn £50 call out and £30 per hour putting it right.

I'd doubt very much if more than a handful of DIYers would attempt a CU change!! Most of those shed CU's are being purchased by electricians, or by homeowners supplying materials for the job, to keep the costs down!!

 

[Mainman]

Which register did he put you on?
Part P does not only cover paid work mate, if you read the approved document there's a schedule in there as to what it covers and what it doesn't.

As I said...sooo much confusion


Regulating the industry is the only way forward. Gas .... don't touch unless your registered. Electrics....well you can put a socket in the bedroom but if you put it in a kitchen you must notify... (In Wales from April) but not in England unless it's a new circuit. O boy, If it wasn't bad before...

 

[trev]

As I said...sooo much confusion
Regulating the industry is the only way forward. Gas .... don't touch unless your registered. Electrics....well you can put a socket in the bedroom but if you put it in a kitchen you must notify... (In Wales from April) but not in England unless it's a new circuit. O boy, If it wasn't bad before...

To a point Mainman I agree but to quote a band called Placebo, It's way too broke to fix. As I've said on other debates on the regulation subject I can walk into plumb center and as long as I've got the cash I can walk out with everything I'd need to install a gas heating system with no questions asked. Halfords will sell me parts that I can then fit on your car without querying my competency to do so, I could go on and on with similar examples
Plus can you see the sheds allowing the government to tell them what they can and cannot sell? They're owned by big businesses that the government are scared of. Even further, what would happen if you suddenly got some sort of protection for our trade? The plumbers would want it, then the joiners, then the plasterers etc etc and before you know it every DIY shop in the country would be closed. The turkeys ain't going to vote for christmas mate

 

[Mainman]

It's all been a very shameful expensive slap in the face to the trade and it is waved a very fond good riddance

So you don't think the trade should be regulated? So we will continue to see under unit lights in ktchens in 0.5mm tapped straight off cooker circuits? This is being done now, but in many cases by unregulated so called electricians. If a registered enterprise is doing it they are putting the trade to shame, it's not the fault of the scheme itself. Yes, Part P is a shambles but the whole industry needs a complete shake up and total regulation.

 

[trev]

So you don't think the trade should be regulated? So we will continue to see under unit lights in ktchens in 0.5mm tapped straight off cooker circuits? This is being done now, but in many cases by unregulated so called electricians.

Ok mate, how is the regulation going to work and how is it going to be policed?