Cooker outlet plate converted to double socket

[markco]

Hi everyone found this today cooker outlet converted to a double socket which the cooker is plugged into it then a extension lead plugged into other socket which runs the gas hob ignition and garden sockets and garden light's all on 33amp mcb with 6mm from board to cooker then 1.5mm to outside socket then 2.5mm armoured cable split into two to run sockets and lighting any thoughts on this

 

[telectrix]

Are the SWA radials hard wired into this double socket or are they coming of the extension?

As far as I see it nothing wrong with the set up. A bit weird agree, but ok.

Only the SWA would be a concern if it's hard wired.

somehow i can't envisage SWA being wired into a 1363 plug. hang on. seen it once. 2.5mm SWA connected into a RCD plug, installed by the company that installed the hot tub. armour wrapped in green/yellow insulation tape. class installation..

 

[Deleted account]

somehow i can't envisage SWA being wired into a 1363 plug. hang on. seen it once. 2.5mm SWA connected into a RCD plug, installed by the company that installed the hot tub. armour wrapped in green/yellow insulation tape. class installation..

Agree to a point. There are lots of things I cannot envision, but they exist all the same.

I've seen SWA terminated into a j/b then a flex coming out of j/b to a plug.

As johnduffell states this would be outside the scope of fixed wiring.

 

[markco]

The two Swa cables are wired into a ip 56 box which is feed from one off the ip rated outside sockets one off the swa runs to any other double ip socket the other runs to a ip light switch the tripping caused by water in one of the boxes no gasket on it and no ip glands used

 

[littlespark]

My point about the changing the 32A is because - as mentioned elsewhere on the forum - a normal domestic white double 13A socket is rated at 20A across the 2 outlets.

 

[Octopus]

My point about the changing the 32A is because - as mentioned elsewhere on the forum - a normal domestic white double 13A socket is rated at 20A across the 2 outlets.

If you apply that logic RFC would all need their breakers down rated...

 

[telectrix]

My point about the changing the 32A is because - as mentioned elsewhere on the forum - a normal domestic white double 13A socket is rated at 20A across the 2 outlets.

yes, but the 32A MCB is to protect the 6mm cable ,not the socket or whatever is plugged in.

 

[littlespark]

The 32A MCB is to protect the 6mm cable and the CCU - The equipment the circuit was originally designed for.

Fitting a double socket onto a cooker circuit is a botch up when other solutions could have been used.
The OP may want to reinstate an oven that requires more than 13A...

Just checked the OP.... It is a cooker plugged into the socket? why not just leave it connected to the CCU?

 

[Richard Burns]

somehow i can't envisage SWA being wired into a 1363 plug. hang on. seen it once. 2.5mm SWA connected into a RCD plug, installed by the company that installed the hot tub. armour wrapped in green/yellow insulation tape. class installation..

SWA in a plug, how could there be a problem, just ensure you use the right fuse!

 

[johnduffell]

Fitting a double socket onto a cooker circuit is a botch up when other solutions could have been used.

I guess you agree it meets regs but you don't like that it is not what you'd fit if starting from scratch? Or that the original ccu backbox is reused?
Would it be ok if it were 32A then the double socket, but a second double socket were added elsewhere on the circuit? Or if the circuit was cut short and a double socket were added somewhere near the cu instead?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

The 32A MCB is to protect the 6mm cable and the CCU - The equipment the circuit was originally designed for.

Fitting a double socket onto a cooker circuit is a botch up when other solutions could have been used.
The OP may want to reinstate an oven that requires more than 13A...

Just checked the OP.... It is a cooker plugged into the socket? why not just leave it connected to the CCU?

Changing a low level cooker connection point to a double socket is a solution I have frequently used for a single oven (<2kw) and gas hob setup where a 6.0mm 32a circuit previously fed a cooker.
The above sort of illogical nonsense is spouted by the same sort of people who faint at the sight of a neutral in a switch and at a shed with an 'exported earth'.

 

[littlespark]

It's my opinion, not "illogical nonsense"

And I like neutrals at switches.

I read the OP as a double socket replacing the cooker switch above the worktop, not the outlet

 

[MDJ]

The 32A MCB is to protect the 6mm cable and the CCU - The equipment the circuit was originally designed for.

How do you know that? I expect the house was wired long before a cooker even appeared in it, the 32 MCB is there to protect the cable from melting and burning the house down, for all we know the cooker connected to the supply could be a 3 KW oven, so why a 32 amp then?

 

[Rpa07]

This install does make the fault finding easy - unplug extension lead and this separates 6mm to double socket from all of the ‘unorthodox but accepted’ wiring to the outdoors circuits. Tripping stops = explore further - perhaps all installs could be designed like this!
I’m only kidding - it’s Saturday have another Flat white!

 

[ipf]

Changing a low level cooker connection point to a double socket is a solution I have frequently used for a single oven (<2kw) and gas hob setup where a 6.0mm 32a circuit previously fed a cooker.
The above sort of illogical nonsense is spouted by the same sort of people who faint at the sight of a neutral in a switch and at a shed with an 'exported earth'.

The only thing I wouldn't like about it is if the box was mounted vertically...…..and the d socket 90 degrees out...….break every reg going, would that

 

[ipf]

I read the OP as a double socket replacing the cooker switch above the worktop, not the outlet

Circuit wise, what's the difference?