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What are peoples thoughts on this, should socket outlets in the general public areas be RCD/RCBO protected? I believe they do and have put them down as a C2 on a recent EICR but recently got a phone call to say it's a C3!
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Yes they should now be provided with RCD protection.
As for determining a code, that depends on when they were installed and their intended use.
what you see is what you find.I was once a QS on a contracting company, I was told that you can't change the certificates unless you get the testing engineer to explain his findings, or he should go to site and checkout the defects of the results with the testing guy.
Yes and the current edition/amendment just like all the other editions/amendments, states installations constructed to earlier editions may not necessarily be unsafe.The code doesn't change based on when they were installed, the EICR and the codes applied are based solely on the current edition of bs7671
weather it is 15th 16th and now 17th some body get hurt the h/s will be on some bodys back .Yes and the current edition/amendment just like all the other editions/amendments, states installations constructed to earlier editions may not necessarily be unsafe.
Failure to take on board this fact, is failure to conduct the inspection in accordance with the current edition/amendment of BS7671
We do put down for mechanical protection also along with rcd/RCBO protection. Sorry I didn't explain fully, I should of put it.That makes no sense at all, of course you've been knocked back.
An RCD does not provide any sort of mechanical protection, if mechanical protection is required then you need to install mechanical protection to rectify it.
to late now the horse has bolted .We do put down for mechanical protection also along with rcd/RCBO protection. Sorry I didn't explain fully, I should of put it.
Yes and the current edition/amendment just like all the other editions/amendments, states installations constructed to earlier editions may not necessarily be unsafe.
Failure to take on board this fact, is failure to conduct the inspection in accordance with the current edition/amendment of BS7671.
We do put down for mechanical protection also along with rcd/RCBO protection. Sorry I didn't explain fully, I should of put it.
Looks like the thunder has arrived.
At least here it has.
Not very practical the inspector should be able to carry out this kind of work unsupervised or shouldn't be doing itthe Q/S should be their with the persons who is testing it .and over seeing the testing
It doesn't matter whether it excuses compliance with current Regulations.
The fact remains that the IET are never going to say that a situation which was deemed safe in previous editions is now unsafe. (The legal ramifications would be enormous.)
BS7671 requires us to make observation on non-compliances which may give rise to danger.
If the Regs. do not consider a non-compliance which complied at the time of construction to be unsafe, how can you then state the situation is potentially dangerous?
No it doesn't. That would be ridiculous. When they were installed does not materially alter their safety now.As for determining a code, that depends on when they were installed
What editions permitted bare conductors on cleats and in wooden containment? Single insulated conductors yes, but bare conductors?Bare conductors on cleats complied with a previous edition...
Bare conductors encased in a wooden moulding complied with a previous edition.
Bare conductors are allowed now, as is wooden containment.What editions permitted bare conductors on cleats and in wooden containment? Single insulated conductors yes, but bare conductors?
What editions permitted bare conductors on cleats and in wooden containment? Single insulated conductors yes, but bare conductors?
for what reasonIf an installation has been installed to a previous addition of BS7671 eg 15th/16th and still complies with that edition should not make the installation warrant a C1 (danger present .risk of injury immediate action required ) or C2 (potentially dangerous) the standard of additional safety of which electrical installations are installed to has changed/improved .Other regulations eg H & S acts may come into play and require RCD protection. I can't see what Part P has to do with a EICR however if I am correct it comes into play if certain work is undertaken when the domestic and business premises share the same meter.
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