New Zealand Insurance company demand proof of credentials

[kkkkk]

Hi all

There is a commercial complex that I am inspecting, testing and certificating, and doing any necessary remedial work. I have now got my client's insurance company demanding my credentials regarding being NICEIC registered (I am registered with one of the others), and that I have to prove my qualifications for doing such work, and that I must be able to prove competence by electrical training, qualifications and/or experience for the class of electrical system being inspected.

I have never come across this before - has anyone come across anything like this themselves? How does one prove one's experience? I have 17th edition and am registered on the competent persons list, I am ELECSA registered.

I'd be pleased if anyone could tell me what all this is about. I've never had to prove anything before, I always give my ELECSA registration number.

Of course, it's commercial work, and you don't have to be registered to carry out this work, but the ELECSA registration proves competency.

Thanks in advance for any information.

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[Knobhead]

If you’re credentials don’t match the clients insurance requirements, then the insurance will be null and void.

Looks like the insurance companies have latched on to the Electrical Trainee’s.

I’ve always hated insurance companies. They may now have redeemed themselves in my eyes. Only if they clamp down on required electrical qualifications!

Membership of a scheme is no proof of qualifications. It just say’s you’ve paid you’re dues.

The sooner this takes off the better!

It could be that the insurance companies will be the way forward to a national register. I do hope so! This trade has to rise out of the mire the scheme’s have created!

Just to add, I’ve no time for the NIC or any other scheme, I’ve never needed them.

 

[telectrix]

It is actually quite normal for Insurers of commercial buildings to request proof that contractors undertaking work in a given building are competent to do said work, and the usual wat to do this is to prove membership of a registered trade organisation. For boiler engineers it is now Gas Safe, but fod Electrical related contractors the Industry norm is NICEIC, but they should accept ELECSA.

i would have thought that membership of ECA for commercial was more appropriate than elecsa, which latter is for domestic.

 

[snowhead]

If the Insurance companies are going to be doing this and it is a good thing, they are going to have to state it up front as a condition of the Insurance cover, so the customer knows to look for the relevant person.

Or maybe the Ins co's should set up thier own register of approved persons, at no cost to those persons of course.

 

[KFH]

I have had it with a Local Authority Licensing dept which would accept a variety of companies including NICEIC and ECA but would approve an individual company as an exception. ELECSA and 2391 got me approved.

Also in the past with an Ecclesiastical Insurance company which only accepted NICEIC but does now accept ELECSA.

I can see why they are doing it as ELECSA is part p which is domestic and you do not need a lot of experience/knowledge to get this. A full scope certification such as ECA is different.

 

[Outspoken]

i would have thought that membership of ECA for commercial was more appropriate than elecsa, which latter is for domestic.

You are correct Tony...I did type my reply on my tablet, in bed and using Tappatalk...blooming thing, so Brain was mush at ~01:30hrs!!

 

[Knobhead]

You are correct Tony...I did type my reply on my tablet, in bed and using Tappatalk...blooming thing, so Brain was mush at ~01:30hrs!!

Has Tel been feeding you my tablets?

 

[kkkkk]

eh?.....

You know what I mean!! You are counted as "a competent person"!!!!
I like your Fokker biplane pic!!!
:rockon::rockon:

 

[GLENNSPARK]

You know what I mean!! You are counted as "a competent person"!!!!
I like your Fokker biplane pic!!!
:rockon::rockon:

thanks....i thought i`d inject a bit of class to in here....

 

[thomas-1981]

These courses which allow people to masquerade as Electricians by no means make them a 'competent person'. This should be a foundation to build upon. So glad we don't have part p up here.

 

[rompling]

You don't mention if you have any testing qualifications, just the 17th which may be the problem

 

[Victor]

come on Trev...you forgot Barry bathroom fitter....

And all the guys who work for Bodgit and Scarper.

 

[Victor]

You don't mention if you have any testing qualifications, just the 17th which may be the problem

Sounds like with 17th Edition and Part P, you have done a Domestic installers course and are not really qualified to to what you are being asked to do. Maybe that is why the insurance company are asking for proof.

 

[stuartcourt]

The whole industry needs a shake up. Having my 2391 means nothing without experience in which field I am working in