Joint cables inside back box?

[Mynamesmatt]

I have one double socket in my kitchen (its part up the upstairs ring) ...and i need to change it to three doubles


Is it ok to use the double back box that is currently in the wall, to joint and extend the ring (and place a double blank plate over) then chase down and fit three doubles?

If so what type of connectors should i use, wagos?

Be nice ...........

 

[Rauer]

Don't plaster over the connections

 

[Guitarist]

matt, this is notifiable work. Tell me you are a part P registered, qualified electrician and I will of course offer you any advice that I can.

 

[Farmelectrics]

Yes it is use through crimps and then you can extend the ring

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Don't plaster over the connections

he said he was going to use a blank plate.

why not keep the original socket and make the others part of the ring. you only have to extend one cable then.

 

[sparks1973]

yeah...get em crimped...youl need blue and red crimps for this...ratchet crimper n all...

 

[Mynamesmatt]

im a qualified electrician! the original socket is far too high above the worktops, just all needs re-jigging really

thanks guys!

also, i came across a lighting junction box under the floorboards.. all the terminals inside were being used by live/neturals and so someone has brought the earths OUTSIDE the jb and put them all into a chock block.. anyone ever seen this done? hmmmmmmmm

 

[Guitarist]

Sorry matt, didn't know you were a qualified electrician. I'm surprised you are asking about extending an RFC in that case. Not part P tho?
In answer to the JB question, yes, you will find that method used throughout thousands of homes. Not good practice, and one which I hate, but out there nonetheless.

 

[TF28]

Through crimps, do not just spur of existing with one cable as that is not correct without fusing the cable down.

 

[Rauer]

he said he was going to use a blank plate.

why not keep the original socket and make the others part of the ring. you only have to extend one cable then.

And obviously you've never seen a blank plate plasterd over then! I've seen it for too many times!

 

[Dave 85]

You've got it dead right matt, nice picture. Doesnt matter what you have behind the blank plate (crimps, terminal block, wagos) its all good although I love wagos these days. I wouldn't worry too much about that Part P nonsense, its your gaff and if you know what you're at then crack on.

On the subject of wagos
Anyone who has never use a wagobox/connectors please please give them a try you dont know what you are missing out on.
Picture this: 4 T&E's and 2 3 cores hanging out of a 70mm downlighter hole all need connecting together in an enclosure that will fit back through that hole.......major headache right...not with a wagobox and connectors. Literally takes about 10 minutes and only tool you need is cutters, no tape no drivers nothing.
Awesome awesome awesome

 

[sparks1973]

You've got it dead right matt, nice picture. Doesnt matter what you have behind the blank plate (crimps, terminal block, wagos) its all good although I love wagos these days. I wouldn't worry too much about that Part P nonsense, its your gaff and if you know what you're at then crack on.

On the subject of wagos
Anyone who has never use a wagobox/connectors please please give them a try you dont know what you are missing out on.
Picture this: 4 T&E's and 2 3 cores hanging out of a 70mm downlighter hole all need connecting together in an enclosure that will fit back through that hole.......major headache right...not with a wagobox and connectors. Literally takes about 10 minutes and only tool you need is cutters, no tape no drivers nothing.
Awesome awesome awesome

so what if its 5A connectors....as i found the other day in a similar scenario?

 

[Guitarist]

You've got it dead right matt, nice picture. Doesnt matter what you have behind the blank plate (crimps, terminal block, wagos) its all good although I love wagos these days. I wouldn't worry too much about that Part P nonsense, its your gaff and if you know what you're at then crack on.

Thanks for the support Dave.

 

[Lucas]

if it's exactly above the new socket, cut a bit of metal capping down and place it over the connections then plaster over it. I see no reason why that can't be done because it's still in a safe zone, that's only if your using maintenace free connections though

 

[Rauer]

if it's exactly above the new socket, cut a bit of metal capping down and place it over the connections then plaster over it. I see no reason why that can't be done because it's still in a safe zone, that's only if your using maintenace free connections though

I don't like that! I know it's ok cause it's mf but there's something about it I don't like and would never do myself

 

[Octopus]

I wouldn't worry too much about that Part P nonsense, its your gaff and if you know what you're at then crack on.

A tad irresponsible don't you think.

I take it you're Part P, so what if all your customers start saying the same?

 

[thefish]

A tad irresponsible don't you think.

I take it you're Part P, so what if all your customers start saying the same?​

Read more: http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...int-cables-inside-back-box.html#ixzz213EISp6e​

Part P is a load of old tosh. It will never stop people doing work in their own homes. It's just another government solution to fix a problem by extracting money from people at the same time

 

[Guitarist]

I can't believe that you guys are telling a DIY'er how to do notifiable work in a building regs special location.
Lucas, many thing "can be done", but plastering over push connections does not make the joint MF.

 

[Guitarist]

Part P is a load of old tosh. It will never stop people doing work in their own homes. It's just another government solution to fix a problem by extracting money from people at the same time

You may think it's tosh and I may think it's tosh, but it is the law. Very irresponsible to suggest to someone on a public forum to ignore it.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

^^^^^tend to agree^^^^^ .....because it is a tad surprising that a qualified electrician needs to ask how to extend a RFC. If the OP was competant enough to ignore part p he wouldnt have to ask how to do the job.
I've been known to ignore part p but then I've been extending RFC's for decades before part p was a twinkle in the governments eye.