Lets go then lol

[Guest77]

Unions Together | NHS: CONDITION CRITICAL

 

[Geordie Spark]

Ok ..... let's go then!!

Danny and The Juniors - At The Hop - YouTube

 

[dingledong]

Ready and waiting Mike but I can only fight one person at a time sorry

 

[Marvo]

What's wrong with selling the NHS off? It will probably run a lot more efficiently if it's in private hands.
If I was a UK taxpayer I'd probably be glad to get it private and not have to fork out hand over fist to finance it.

 

[dingledong]

But it becomes very expensive marvo and top heavy too . Too much Management

 

[dingledong]

Most of the problems now have been caused by Labour

 

[telectrix]

totally agree with last 2 posts. more managers than beds. sack the lot. 1 bloke in charge of a hospital. a matron for each ward, then the savings would pay to solve the nurse shortage.

 

[ferg]

Unions Together | NHS: CONDITION CRITICAL

Whoever wrote that claptrap assumes the reader, (me.) is either:

Too stupid to understand big words and long sentences.

Or

Too lazy to be bothered to read anything resembling an explanation or reasoned argument.

 

[trev]

Well I'm a great believer in the trade union movement and the NHS. So I happily signed.
If there was a union for self employed people and it's aims were broadly in line with mine then I'd join it in a heartbeat.

 

[dingledong]

Yes the 50's/60's seemed to be the heyday of the nhs a matron for each ward ( oooh Matron )

 

[trev]

What's wrong with selling the NHS off? It will probably run a lot more efficiently if it's in private hands.
If I was a UK taxpayer I'd probably be glad to get it private and not have to fork out hand over fist to finance it.

Would you still be happy when your granny was refused treatment for her cancer on the grounds that she's too old and unlikely to live through it so is condemned to die a painful death?

 

[trev]

Most of the problems now have been caused by Labour

Absolute utter bs mate.

 

[dingledong]

Knew it would get you into the chat ha ha

 

[Marvo]

Would you still be happy when your granny was refused treatment for her cancer on the grounds that she's too old and unlikely to live through it so is condemned to die a painful death?

Why must the selling of the NHS result in people not being treated. If it was sold with legal requirements for a set of standards to be met then privatization would result in far greater efficiency and lower running costs.

 

[dingledong]

But if you need a new knee or hip you have to be very old for them to do the opertion

 

[dingledong]

Marvo what do they have in south Africa ? Sort of the same as america

 

[Guest77]

I'm suprised this thread never got more rowdy, I really thought about starting a thread which would be hilarious and very argumentative, = didn't work though lol

 

[telectrix]

that's because the materials used have only a predicted 10 year lifespan, so if you live more than 10 years after the op., then they got to do it again. as IQ says, they should " do it right, do it once".

 

[ferg]

I have no problem with private companies having NHS contracts.

IF.. Standards increase AND costs reduce.

The private companies can take a cut of the savings.

 

[dingledong]

Trev that is a major question in radio talk shows . Should old people be given the same amount of health care as young people

 

[dingledong]

In my My mind old people have paid more than young people so they should get the same or even more

 

[Geordie Spark]

Well I'm a great believer in the trade union movement and the NHS. So I happily signed.
If there was a union for self employed people and it's aims were broadly in line with mine then I'd join it in a heartbeat.

I'm in favour of Trades Unions and have been a member of three: the Engineers Union ( I forget the title) Technical and Supervisory Staff (TASS) and the Musicians Union (MU) but the only one who gave any help when I needed it was the Musicians Union.

 

[trev]

I'm suprised this thread never got more rowdy,

Obviously I just got on, it'll get rowdy soon enough mate

Why must the selling of the NHS result in people not being treated. If it was sold with legal requirements for a set of standards to be met then privatization would result in far greater efficiency and lower running costs.

The NHS is going to be slaughtered on the failed altar of increased efficiency that we have seen over and over again.
At the minute Granny would get her cancer drugs and treatment on the UK taxpayer and I for one don't object to her getting them for a single second. However, the insurers will find some excuse not to give her the drugs that could either prolong her life or make her last days/weeks more comfortable. Without an insurer to pay for them then you're going to have to, but if you're on your uppers you can't afford them. If the insurers won't pay and you can't, what happens to Granny?

 

[telectrix]

they usually do, as they tend to be in worse health than young sprogs, on the whole.

 

[trev]

I've said it many times, the tories know the cost of everything but the value of nothing

 

[Marvo]

Marvo what do they have in south Africa ? Sort of the same as america

We have government hospitals which would be the equivalent of your NHS kinda and we have several very large private hospital chains for those with health insurance.

There's also some hospitals that are government owned and are semi private, mostly teaching hospitals. My wife went to a semi private hospital to have two disks replaced in her lower back a couple of years ago and the standard of care was second to none. The entire operation and the aftercare cost us around ZAR35k which was around a fifth of the price we got quoted for it to be done private. All these hospitals and half of the private hospitals are clogged up with Europeans / UK people coming for operations and treatments because it's a lot cheaper than at home.

 

[telectrix]

increased efficiency should not mean a decrease in care. quite the opposite. get rid of the non-productive dead wood , like managers on £XXXXXX, and spend the savings on patient care.

 

[Guest77]

I have no problem with private companies having NHS contracts.

IF.. Standards increase AND costs reduce.

The private companies can take a cut of the savings.

Never happen, just look at the state of the railways and post office, run down and hardly any staff with the bosses earning millions and the public paying out a fortune for a crappy service, good old privatisation.

 

[Guest77]

In my My mind old people have paid more than young people so they should get the same or even more

What if the young person is seriously ill and comes from a broken home? should we just send them to the back of the queue so an old millionaire who has a cough gets treated first and gets a better portion of hospital dinner?

 

[Marvo]

Never happen, just look at the state of the railways and post office, run down and hardly any staff with the bosses earning millions and the public paying out a fortune for a crappy service, good old privatisation.

Privatization needs to be done within a legislative framework to ensure mandated minimum standards of service delivery. If the railways and post office system declined after privatization then it wasn't implemented correctly.