Rubbish downlight springs

[brizospark]

Been fitting some gu10 downlights supplied by customer. The downlights themselves are ok except the springs are not very strong so when pushing up to ceiling they don't fit right to ceiling every time. The holes are cut at the correct size. Any of you guys had problems with this and any idea how to remedy this that doesn't involve adhesive!

 

[dan86]

can't say I have mate. where did the customer get them from? can they possibly exchange them?

 

[brizospark]

Not sure where they got them from probably one of the sheds

 

[Sharpend]

Are they fixed springs or can they be adjusted?

 

[brizospark]

Well they did look like they could e adjusted but when I removed one of te springs it was nigh on impossible to get it back in again! The way they are manufactured the retaining part of the spring was held in very awkwardly not like normal springs that you can just squeeze together and relocate

 

[Phil]

Not sure where they got them from probably one of the sheds

the ones a customer supplied from the local pound shop were rubbish too. could not get them to hold so I told them I would supply them instead.

 

[brizospark]

Absolute garbage so they are! I was thinking of putting a couple of cuts of plasterboard above ceiling where springs sit to try and give them bit more tension?

 

[Hawk81]

Been fitting some gu10 downlights supplied by customer. The downlights themselves are ok except the springs are not very strong so when pushing up to ceiling they don't fit right to ceiling every time. The holes are cut at the correct size. Any of you guys had problems with this and any idea how to remedy this that doesn't involve adhesive!

they were robus lights by any chance?

 

[brizospark]

Not robus sure it's cde

 

[Guitarist]

Make sure that you charge them extra for all the messing about, plus stress that you will put no warranty on them if they go wrong.

 

[nickblake]

I hate down lighters with a passion ,if any one wants them then I insist they have to be complete LED units , as I wont guarantee normal GU10 as most normal down lighters only have a beam angle of 35 degree's , I have now found some from Deltec with a 60 degree angle fully dimmable metal changeable cowls and very good clips 5 year warrenty and at £25.00 plus VAT fit forget no comebacks

 

[telectrix]

one thing i found with the springs is that if you terminate 2 x 1.5m T/E cables direct into the fitting, these cables will tend to push the fitting down. i always use line products and flex to the fitting.

 

[rantoftheday]

Tel I would love to for downlights this way also but if you add on the additional cost of a line JB plus wagos plus HR flex for each light if you are pricing against other sparks you have best to no chance of getting job. Customers don't are about ease of installation

 

[Guitarist]

I hate down lighters with a passion ,if any one wants them then I insist they have to be complete LED units , as I wont guarantee normal GU10 as most normal down lighters only have a beam angle of 35 degree's , I have now found some from Deltec with a 60 degree angle fully dimmable metal changeable cowls and very good clips 5 year warrenty and at £25.00 plus VAT fit forget no comebacks

I won't install halogen either.

 

[Guitarist]

Tel I would love to for downlights this way also but if you add on the additional cost of a line JB plus wagos plus HR flex for each light if you are pricing against other sparks you have best to no chance of getting job. Customers don't are about ease of installation

I never win a quote on price. It's about whether the customer likes you, trusts you, and wants you in their home.

 

[nickblake]

would never install halogen down lights with the twin and earth direct to fitting seen to many cables burn out once you push the fitting up you don't know where the cables are and one of the reasons I refuse to install halogens

 

[Aindowsimon]

Down lighters , wot I recently done was had a choc box's bank of 4 down lighters off each choc box 6 cables in box( it was above one spot so was accessible ) and single cable at each downlight , I must say It worked really well , 2nd fix was a absolute doddle . 1st time I tried it out it will now be my standard installation method with some sort of master joint box . Note also I recently come across led fitting downlighters jcc I think with 3pole blue click plug things .... Really good idea ! About time , previouse installation method mentioned wouldn't be needed to much as connecting of anything with up to 3 t+e would be easily done ( but a bit pricy at the mo )