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Octopus
Whether the outcome is Yes or No - this will have massive rammifications across the whole of the UK for years to come.
Are you watching BBC1 at the moment?
Whether the outcome is Yes or No - this will have massive rammifications across the whole of the UK for years to come.
Are you watching BBC1 at the moment?
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Silly Sausage
Errr, if it's No, in a month's time, I reckon that the vast majority will have forgotten about all this.
There'll be rumblings about further devolution amongst the hardcore.
It's just another event, it's happened, forget it, move on. It's the British way!
There'll be rumblings about further devolution amongst the hardcore.
It's just another event, it's happened, forget it, move on. It's the British way!
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Octopus
Errr, if it's No, in a month's time, I reckon that the vast majority will have forgotten about all this.
There'll be rumblings about further devolution amongst the hardcore.
It's just another event, it's happened, forget it, move on. It's the British way!
Alec Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon won't let us forget - their faces will be on our TV all the time - because the "promises" of changes made by the 3 buffoons (Cameron, Clegg & Milliband) will need to be voted through Parliament - and I can't see that being an easy task!
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trev
I'm on News24 atm mate. I agree about the massive ramifications, this could mean the end of Cameron, the end of the current political system, the beginning of a US style fedaral UK.
It really is huge.
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Silly Sausage
I hope never too see Potatohead and his fishwife ever again after this.
And if the beeb is as biased as they make out, we won't! Happy days, don't be so pessimistic Murd!!!
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Knobhead
You can talk all you like now, the deed has been done.
Sit back, relax, have a beer and await the results.
Sit back, relax, have a beer and await the results.
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Kris
Well guys i was down earlier and put my tupence worth in with a vote , so well see what happens ,
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Octopus
Why? Surely if he goes, so should Clegg and Milliband.
This upheaval is the absolute LAST THING UK plc needs right now - our European "cousins" must be rubbing their hands with glee.
Mr Hollande has pretty much said that already, as has the Spanish PM.
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trev
Why could it be the end of Cameron? Well, he's the man in charge so if it's a yes he's the one responsible for the break up of the union. If it's a no then he's the figurehead of the group who have promised Scotland more powers which are currently being plotted against by many back bench MPs so he's in a no win situation.
The upheaval had to happen sooner or later though, maybe the timing is unfortunate but it was always going to happen. Our European cousins are quietly ****ting themselves just now because of the ramifications of all this. Catalonia wants to split, as does the Basque territory. Venice wants independence from Italy.
I think that Hollande and the Spanish bloke are just joining in the No bandwagon "Vote yes and all sorts of bad things will happen to you"
"Such as"
"Economic ruin, higher prices, greater risk of terrorism"
"Oh yeah? Why's that then?"
"Erm......I'll get back to you"
The no campaign has concentrated, wrongly imo on the perils of a yes vote instead of stressing the benefits of Scotland staying in the union.
6 or 7 AM will tell what the way forward will look like.
The upheaval had to happen sooner or later though, maybe the timing is unfortunate but it was always going to happen. Our European cousins are quietly ****ting themselves just now because of the ramifications of all this. Catalonia wants to split, as does the Basque territory. Venice wants independence from Italy.
I think that Hollande and the Spanish bloke are just joining in the No bandwagon "Vote yes and all sorts of bad things will happen to you"
"Such as"
"Economic ruin, higher prices, greater risk of terrorism"
"Oh yeah? Why's that then?"
"Erm......I'll get back to you"
The no campaign has concentrated, wrongly imo on the perils of a yes vote instead of stressing the benefits of Scotland staying in the union.
6 or 7 AM will tell what the way forward will look like.
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Silly Sausage
So if Cameron is finished, the LibDems are a joke, what's your prediction for the 2015 UK election Trev?!
And who will be the leader?
And who will be the leader?
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Octopus
Hollande will veto anything that could damage the more than generous deal under the CAP for his farmers.
Well Mr Hollande - the CAP is holding the EU back so you need to be flexible.
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trev
I think this coupled with a whole load of other stuff could mean a Labour (tory-lite) government but it's more likely to be another coalition if I'm honest. Who will be the leader? Probably Milliband but one thing is pretty much certain, Farage will not be a kingmaker.
One thing this could bring in is a kind of federalism, with the various regions wanting greater and greater autonomy.
One thing this could bring in is a kind of federalism, with the various regions wanting greater and greater autonomy.
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Octopus
One thing we can agree on Trev!
I note that the Welsh are getting in on the act - so its going to be one big mess!
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trev
That's because he knows that the farmers own him (along with a few others) If the french government does something to p1$$ people off there's hell to pay. If Westminster does it there's a lot of loud tutting and frowning.
Sometimes we could learn from the French.
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Octopus
But why should the French farmers have the whole EU by the bxllxcks??
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trev
From what you posted on that top 10 policies thread you and I are not that far apart mate. The Taffs are getting in on it because their fallout from this could also be massive. If Scotland goes what happens to the cash from the Barnett Formula?
Well They're going to be there wanting a similar slice of a similar pie.
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Octopus
One thing I do admire the Scots for is coming out to vote - almost unbelievable numbers.
The sun must have been out "up north" today!
The sun must have been out "up north" today!
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trev
Because the French are 50% of the EU if truth be known. Remember what De Gaulle said about us? Non, Non ét Non. And he kept us out for a very long time.
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Octopus
If you draw the parallel with the EU vote, the turnout was low - and I think this is all to do with the fact that the EU vote by an individual means a whole heap of NOTHING - whereas the Scottish vote ACTUALLY counts!
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trev
Sod this for a game of soldiers, the first result isn't expected for another hour and like I say, it's an indication at best so I'm off to bed. Got a busy day tomorrow, going to build me a website.
First vote is in and it's a NO!
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ayjay
those scots need us
bet they bottle out
bet they bottle out
Second vote is in, it's a no too!
We don't need you pal. U need us.
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Silly Sausage
You're going to get hammered by your Lords and Superiors from South of the border now!
Potatohead will look after you though! :smilielol5:
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dingledong
So with all the rash promises we made to keep them , what is this gonna cost us now ?
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tazz
After watching the referendum.......I just can`t get this song out of my head....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weFxKPsYTf4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weFxKPsYTf4
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Silly Sausage
Who cares, we've got our hands on Clair now :smilielol5:
Rumours of massive oil find follow Cameron?s secret Shetland visit
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not clever
I have to agree with you Trev, i think we will see the re-emergence of regionalisation, the idea that Prescott had where the country will be split into 9 political regions.
What salmond has done is produce a generation of 16-17 year olds who will now grow up with a chip on their shoulder blaming all their woes on the British way.
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dingledong
Don't talk daft
Again
Again
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dingledong
Most 16-17 year olds have a chip on there shoulder
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Octopus
Well the people have spoken and it was nay. So it looks like another Conservative (coalition?) government at the next general election that don't represent the people of Scotland (there's currently 1 conservative MP in Scotland) and more of the same old same old. Let's see how long it takes for all the 'no' campaign pie-crust promises made to melt in the mouth of the politicians.
Its interesting how disenfranchised English people are when I speak to them about politics. Oft mentioned is immigration, benefits, the a Middle East - I'd not be surprised if the Conservatives end up with a UKIP coalition?
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Octopus
Cameron/Clegg/Millliband were fools to promise to continue with the Barnett formula.
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Silly Sausage
Come the same time in October or November, do you think most people will still be talking about this?!?!
They'll just stare blankly in your face. It's just another event that's been and gone.
They'll just stare blankly in your face. It's just another event that's been and gone.
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Dcf
So there it is then, +1 for project fear.
some interesting results like 60/40% for no in fife, never seen that coming tbh.
wonder if all the promises made will come about?probably not.
the retired vote is the one that swung it as they were worried about pensions etc IMO .
some interesting results like 60/40% for no in fife, never seen that coming tbh.
wonder if all the promises made will come about?probably not.
the retired vote is the one that swung it as they were worried about pensions etc IMO .
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Guest77
The scots made the right decision, just make sure you all vote for Labour next may and things will improve for you, the right wing politicians can be removed from power, you don't have to put up with the Tories forever, a good decision by you all, nearly 2 million to 1.55 million, thats a good majority.
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Silly Sausage
MDF, just get it over and done with and change your forum pic to one of your GOD, TONY BLIAR!!!!!!
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