What Qualifications Class you as a fully Qualified Electrician

[Aypah]

I have a level 3 2330 city & guild cert and im about to do a 2 day Part P Course which will allow me to sign off my own work. I dont wan't to join a scheme like NICEIC or NAPIT just yet as it won't pay for itself yet. So what else is there needed to be classed as fully qualified? thanks for your help. Ill add that i will be working for myself on domestic properties only.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

In order to sign off your own work you have to be part of one of the schemes, such as Napit, Elecsa, Stroma etc.

I'm not too sure what a 2 day Part P course is? It sounds like it might be a Wiring regs course (2382-15)? This wouldn't enable you to sign off your own work.

As for being fully qualified (unlike myself) I would think serving an apprenticeship and having level 3 2330 is a pretty good sign of being an electrician , although you still cant sign off your work unless you are a member of a scheme or you pay £180 per job and notify the building authorities of the work you are carrying out.

 

[markc123]

HHD you don't have to be a member of a scheme to sign your own work off mate. You don't even need to be a member of a scheme to notify works, it just costs you an arm and a leg if you're not a member

 

[markc123]

p.s any form of part-p course is expensive toilet paper

 

[8yf13l0]

Ideally your best bet is to be part of a scheme, give one of the schemes a call, I called up NICEIC and spoke to customer services and asked what is the minimum they require to consider me to be on the scheme. They where very helpful and supportive in guidence (for me anyway). Hope this may help in some way.

 

[Guest77]

I have a level 3 2330 city & guild cert and im about to do a 2 day Part P Course which will allow me to sign off my own work. I dont wan't to join a scheme like NICEIC or NAPIT just yet as it won't pay for itself yet. So what else is there needed to be classed as fully qualified? thanks for your help. Ill add that i will be working for myself on domestic properties only.

experience in the field for say 4 years on top of your 2330, a testing and inspecting qualification like the 2394/2395 and the AM2 for starters.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

HHD you don't have to be a member of a scheme to sign your own work off mate. You don't even need to be a member of a scheme to notify works, it just costs you an arm and a leg if you're not a member

Sorry Mark, I used completely the wrong terminology and meant to say 'notify'. I read the OP as meaning to 'notify', which rereading he probably doesn't. So basically my post is rubbish and has probably just confused the poor chap!

 

[Aypah]

p.s any form of part-p course is expensive toilet paper

yeah after reading up about it, it doesn't really sound like you get much out of it. i haven't booked yet but its saying it gives you a 2393-10 building regs cert whatever that is.

I have a rewire that i have almost finished. What are my options to get a cert for this place without signing up to a scheme just yet. Can another part p registered electrician sign it off?

Just to clarify my experience. I worked a year training with an electrical firm (Mainly Industrial & Commercial 3 phase), I then worked for them for 3 years on college day release apprenticeship. Got My level 3 2330 and continued with the company for a further 3 years. I have had a lot of domestic experience with this company also. I'm now trying it on my own.

I will probably sign up to a scheme in the near future but i'm just trying to get by for time being until work pays for the scheme

 

[Leesparkykent]

yeah after reading up about it, it doesn't really sound like you get much out of it. i haven't booked yet but its saying it gives you a 2393-10 building regs cert whatever that is.

I have a rewire that i have almost finished. What are my options to get a cert for this place without signing up to a scheme just yet. Can another part p registered electrician sign it off?

Just to clarify my experience. I worked a year training with an electrical firm (Mainly Industrial & Commercial 3 phase), I then worked for them for 3 years on college day release apprenticeship. Got My level 3 2330 and continued with the company for a further 3 years. I have had a lot of domestic experience with this company also. I'm now trying it on my own.

I will probably sign up to a scheme in the near future but i'm just trying to get by for time being until work pays for the scheme

To be Qualified in the eyes of the JIB you would require an NVQ 3. IMO the 2393 isn't worth the paper it's written on. What they going to do on the course....read you the document you can download online and read yourself.

 

[8yf13l0]

I feel you bother have recently been in your shoes.

I got my level 3 2330 when I was 18 but not much else on paper. I had plenty of hands on expearience - but this is just words, again nothing else on paper, so I did all on my own and expence!!.

Competancy: So your got your tech certificate (L3 2330) this declares you compentant in what you do with regards to design, install and generall principles ONLY.

Knowledge: You need to prove you can demonstrate your required knowledge of current 17th edition regs - are you up to date to amendement 3?

Expearience: Then you need to prove you can demonstrate your overall competancy in inspection, testing and commisioning installations by means of a 2394/2395 qualification/cource which is a expearience oriantated examination which is not easy to pass, but well worth getting. I know this because I have just completed mine .

Then get in touch with your preferred scheme, pay then an arm and a leg, then they normally arrange an assessor to meet you on a job you are doing, assess your work as well as your qualifications. Then if all is good, you will pretty much be on your way.

Part P is not really in existence anymore, despite this there are con fast-track cources kicking about which claim to get you qualifications which are not industry reconised so be cautious.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Jamie

 

[markc123]

yeah after reading up about it, it doesn't really sound like you get much out of it. i haven't booked yet but its saying it gives you a 2393-10 building regs cert whatever that is.

I have a rewire that i have almost finished. What are my options to get a cert for this place without signing up to a scheme just yet. Can another part p registered electrician sign it off?

Just to clarify my experience. I worked a year training with an electrical firm (Mainly Industrial & Commercial 3 phase), I then worked for them for 3 years on college day release apprenticeship. Got My level 3 2330 and continued with the company for a further 3 years. I have had a lot of domestic experience with this company also. I'm now trying it on my own.

I will probably sign up to a scheme in the near future but i'm just trying to get by for time being until work pays for the scheme

I have no idea what that is. And I'm pretty sure most of the guys on here won't either - which just shows you how 'valued' it is.

You can 'sign off' your own work, it's just not recommended really but theres technically nothing wrong with it. All you're doing is putting your name down to confirm that the installation in your eyes is fit for continued use. It's if anything happened (touch wood it won't) then it'll come back to bite you. You could get someone else to sign your work off yes, however, finding an electrician who is willing to do this will be difficult.

I'm not sure what the rules are on doing the NVQ3 off your own work, maybe one of the other guys in here knows more about this than me? If you can do the NVQ3 off your own work, i.e. don't have to be employed; i would seriously considering registering for this now, not only whilst you have some work but it will also benefit you immensely in the future.

 

[marconi]

To be a professional electrician, you also need your own network of qualified electricians with whom you can consult and discuss matters. This way you tap in to a wealth of knowledge, experience and wisdom. You also need a way of keeping up-to-date through regular reading (eg:IET wiring matters) and to do the odd course on specific topics(eg: earthing and bonding, fault-finding, special situations).

With regards to your recording your own experience I suggest you compile a 'boast' book of pictures, summaries and lessons learned on the job. Remember to put dates and locations beside the items, and if you can go through it regularly with a senior qualified electrician who is prepared to annotate it with comments on your work.

This way you have something impressive to show a future employer should you need to and a way of demonstrating your experience which is auditable - someone could go look at your work for example.

 

[Midwest]

I did a 2393 course at the end of my initial inspection & testing course,and it was pretty much what the chaps have said about it! One electrician walked out, when the lecturer told him it wouldn't allow him to 'notify' works. It's petty much a read through of the 'Electricians Guide to the Building Regs'. If you think that would help your knowledge of building regs, then you might find it useful. The 'Schemes' might see this as a useful qualification to enrol with them, BUT I would check that first. As regards the 2394 & 2395, you may want to think about putting off the 2395, which is for electrical installation conditions reports (or periodic inspection as it was know), and aimed at experienced electricians. If you forgive me, it may be you could do with some more experience before contemplating such work anyway.

 

[Welchyboy1]

Jib approved gold card is a good starting point

Paper qualifications are important, but worthless without experience, any numpty who can read and has an ounce of common sense could pass most city and guild exams(maybe with exception to the good ol' 2391, used to sort the men from the boys that one)

you wont get a gold card without at least a bit of experience

shame ive never once been asked for mine though

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

I tried to do Part P Course, just wanted to do every dam course there was.. But the FE i asked about it said with my Qualification why bother. Think all i had at the time was L3 2330 like yourself.

Qualified Electrician looking the Lines of NVQ3 the 2357 and AM2

I think to go a bit above that is 2394/5 and 2396 (level 4 in design)
i did think that the 2391 when split was the 2394/5/6 (think i read that some were)

 

[trev]

"signing off work"?
What a load of nonsense. Every electrician should be competent enough to "sign off" his or her own work. If he/she cannot do this then they should consult the Asda/Tesco HR department.
The only restriction on who can and cannot "sign off" work is in the domestic environment. This is because domestic electrical work is obviously so much more dangerous and demanding than work in any other area of the trade.
You may have picked up some element of sarcasm in this post.

 

[dav1980]

In Scotland, an apprenticeship with SVQ level 3 (about 4 years ) will class you as a time served ,qualified electrician. However as many know, you never stop learning. Inspection and testing 2391 (2394/2395) is also the benchmark for a lot of employers and clients these days. If you have these then there should be no problems with certifying your own work.