Minor Work Certificate

[Sean McD]

Good afternoon all,

Just newly qualified, so not registered with recognised body to do self certs. So having new kitchen fitted, and existing sockets in old cupboards just needed fitting into new cupboards. Fitter insisted that he needed a MWC so another sparky fitted sockets and raised MWC, total of £60. Is this right, as from what I can see, there was no alterations or addotions to existing circuit, so did it need MWC...or am I being 'special'?

 

[Pete999]

There were alterations to the circuit, albeit very minor, a MNWC is required, refitting sockets and a MWCert £60 not a bad price, how long did it take him?

 

[Sean McD]

It took him about 15 minutes, including direct Zs test. Fair enough, I just wanted to confirm. Thank you.

 

[Octopus]

Changing accessories does not warranty a MWC.

A test for Zs and note on cert.

 

[Pete999]

Changing accessories does not warranty a MWC.

A test for Zs and note on cert.

Ah but is he or has he just changed the accessory? he may have had to extend / move cables to fit the sockets into the new cupboards, I'll stick with a MNWC.

 

[Risteard]

Whilst accessory replacement like-for-like doesn't require an MEIWC the client still has a right to ask for one.

 

[Pete999]

It took him about 15 minutes, including direct Zs test. Fair enough, I just wanted to confirm. Thank you.

To get the right perspective on this job, and to settle argument of whether a MNWC is was required, was it a cas of just changing the face plates, or was further work required, extending / moving cables etc? for the OP to answer please

 

[Midwest]

BS7671 notes on MEIWC, say this certificate may be used for replacement of accessories or luminaires, as well you know

I read here that some of the larger suppliers of kitchen & bathroom units, require certification for the simplest of things.

Personally, the replacement of one accessory, I do what Murdoch suggests. Anything more I tend to issue minor works.

Recently, I had one old customer contacted me. They were selling their house, where we had refurbished the bathroom, a couple of years back. I had just replaced existing extractor fan & associated isolator (not in Zones). But I did a minor works. Their solicitor wanted copies of 'certificates'; it sometimes just makes life easier.

 

[Andy78]

To get the right perspective on this job, and to settle argument of whether a MNWC is was required, was it a cas of just changing the face plates, or was further work required, extending / moving cables etc? for the OP to answer please

Sounds like sockets mounted in old kitchen units got removed then re-mounted in new units once installed.

 

[Pete999]

Sounds like sockets mounted in old kitchen units got removed then re-mounted in new units once installed.

I the OP doesn't come back with an answer we will never know will we? but from the OP's original post I will still go with MNWC

 

[Octopus]

The flip side of this is the plethora of kitchen and bathroom companies who don't give a monkey's about BS 7671

 

[Pete999]

We seem to be debating a minor issue here, excuse the pun. I agree swapping like for like doesn't necessarily mean a MNWC is required.
Either way the client has a record that, accessories were changed, the client will no necessarily appreciate what work has been needed to swap these face plate, so in essence are we just arguing over who is right or wrong here, there are differing opinions, as there always will be, but in the grand scheme of things, no one got hurt the client has a record of what was done and when, so really no big deal, but I'll still opt for the MNWC.

 

[camerabloke]

Do you reckon pete999 will opt for a MNWC

 

[Pete999]

Do you reckon pete999 will opt for a MNWC

Well I don't know think he is pretty well sold on the option, don't you camerabloke?

 

[ferg]

Pete forgive my ignorance but what is an MNWC?

 

[Midwest]

MiNor Works Certificate or a Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate. Till the IET come up with something else just as complicated, for what it is something so minor, its just not worth arguing over

 

[Toneyz]

I the OP doesn't come back with an answer we will never know will we? but from the OP's original post I will still go with MNWC

Nothing wrong with belt and braces Pete , proves its safe to use.

 

[Toneyz]

We seem to be debating a minor issue here, excuse the pun. I agree swapping like for like doesn't necessarily mean a MNWC is required.
Either way the client has a record that, accessories were changed, the client will no necessarily appreciate what work has been needed to swap these face plate, so in essence are we just arguing over who is right or wrong here, there are differing opinions, as there always will be, but in the grand scheme of things, no one got hurt the client has a record of what was done and when, so really no big deal, but I'll still opt for the MNWC.

A loop & RCD (min test) takes minutes.

 

[Toneyz]

Do you reckon pete999 will opt for a MNWC

Camerabloke is back but for how long ?.

 

[Pete999]

Pete forgive my ignorance but what is an MNWC?

Minor New Works Certificate

 

[Toneyz]

Minor New Works Certificate

Never known the new bit always as MWC.

 

[Pete999]

Never known the new bit always as MWC.

MNWC MWC Same animal Ant call it what you like

 

[ferg]

Hoover, vacuum cleaner, PAT, ISITEE.

Same thing different names.

I just thought I'd ask as it was a new one on me.

 

[Pete999]

Hoover, vacuum cleaner, PAT, ISITEE.

Same thing different names.

I just thought I'd ask as it was a new one on me.

You're welcome ferg

 

[Sean McD]

So, to answer the questions posed above:
No cables were moved / re-routed (unless you class the hole in the unit as a re-route but was to original position. I'm the client and I would have been happy having just newly qualified just refitting back into cupboards. It was the kitchen fitter who was insistent about certification. Which I understand but there were no modifications or alterations. Can't wait to get registered with accredited body.