New Single Module AFDD from Wylex is Launched

[ashrow]

Just saw this

I know loads of people say they do not work etc etc but it is good to see a single module.
I think i am going to get one and try it out

 

[westward10]

That's interesting. Doesn't show type or current characteristics but it is claimed to be a three in one device.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Price...???

If sub 40 quid could be a game changer

 

[ashrow]

Price...???

If sub 40 quid could be a game changer

I have already emailed my local merchants to find out the price and availability, so until tomorrow i have no idea
It is good to see they got a 40amp coming as the last i heard they did struggle to get the minature 40 amp rcbo made

 

[mattg4321]

That's going to put some pressure on the other manufacturers to get one on the market

 

[fairlight]

Crabtree have a single module combination device on the way as well.

 

[mattg4321]

Crabtree have a single module combination device on the way as well.

Both them and Wylex are Electrium products so that makes sense. The Wylex will be cheaper though

 

[freddo]

Almost popped my AFDD cherry last week as had a Wylex one listed on the electrical spec. Unfortunately Wylex don't do an AFDD that fits their 3ph boards so that was the end of that.

 

[Midwest]

Like @ashrow .

Interesting about the fault type indicator. Wonder if that’s for all three parts?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Out of curiosity how are you guys and gals testing Afdds ?

If it starts to nuisance trip what is the process for debugging that circuit ?

 

[Electrical2Go]

Price...???

If sub 40 quid could be a game changer

We'll received the information from Wylex last week and will have these online in the next couple of days. At first glance however, they look like they'll set you back over £100.00!!!

 

[Midwest]

Out of curiosity how are you guys and gals testing Afdds ?

Don’t think there is currently any test equipment as yet, although they test themselves. As other countries have had them for a while, they don’t seem to have developed them, so guess it won’t be any time soon.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Don’t think there is currently any test equipment as yet, although they test themselves. As other countries have had them for a while, they don’t seem to have developed them, so guess it won’t be any time soon.

Countries like America and Canada that have been using Arc fault devices test very little if anything.
There method if a Arc fault breaker keeps tripping out is to simply replace it...
At $100 a pop could get very expensive very quickly for the poor old home owners
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We'll received the information from Wylex last week and will have these online in the next couple of days. At first glance however, they look like they'll set you back over £100.00!!!

£100 a pop is way too expensive , would make a basic board change cost in excess of 2 grand. To 99% of the public this will be a non starter

 

[Deleted member 105166]

Don’t think there is currently any test equipment as yet

I'd wager R&D teams at all the MFT manufacturers are on the case developing the next generation testers that will incorporate arc fault simulation. Like on this test board, but incorporated into an MFT.
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£100 a pop is way too expensive , would make a basic board change cost in excess of 2 grand. To 99% of the public this will be a non starter

This is true, although cost could be minimised by fitting them just on radials >=32A for starters. In many installations this would just mean a couple of AFDDs (cooker and shower). That will give the biggest bang for your customer's buck.

 

[DPG]

I'd wager R&D teams at all the MFT manufacturers are on the case developing the next generation testers that will incorporate arc fault simulation. Like on this test board, but incorporated into an MFT.
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This is true, although cost could be minimised by fitting them just on radials >=32A for starters. In many installations this would just mean a couple of AFDDs (cooker and shower). That will give the biggest bang for your customer's buck.

Biggest bang, but hopefully smallest crackle!

 

[Dustydazzler]

I'd wager R&D teams at all the MFT manufacturers are on the case developing the next generation testers that will incorporate arc fault simulation. Like on this test board, but incorporated into an MFT.
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This is true, although cost could be minimised by fitting them just on radials >=32A for starters. In many installations this would just mean a couple of AFDDs (cooker and shower). That will give the biggest bang for your customer's buck.

Speaking to someone at a trade show about afdds they are not suitable for use on ring circuits so would exclusively be limited to radials. In America they are predominantly used on light load power circuits.
I wonder if this could also signify the end of the rfc ?

 

[DPG]

Speaking to someone at a trade show about afdds they are not suitable for use on ring circuits so would exclusively be limited to radials. In America they are predominantly used on light load power circuits.
I wonder if this could also signify the end of the rfc ?

I thought this had been proved to be false? I'm pretty sure they can detect faults on RFCs.

 

[Zerax]

Where's Lucien Nunes ?

 

[Midwest]

Speaking to someone at a trade show about afdds they are not suitable for use on ring circuits so would exclusively be limited to radials. In America they are predominantly used on light load power circuits.
I wonder if this could also signify the end of the rfc ?

Whilst they won’t detect faults on one leg of RFC, it will still detect faults on appliances connected to it. That’s what I’ve read.

 

[Deleted member 105166]

Whilst they won’t detect faults on one leg of RFC, it will still detect faults on appliances connected to it. That’s what I’ve read.

...and any spurs

 

[freddo]

. Like on this test board,...

That tripped so fast, far faster than I would expect to be appropriate.

 

[ashrow]

Got a reply from my wholesaler....... best price was £125 plus VAT listed price was around £195 before discount

 

[freddo]

Got a reply from my wholesaler....... best price was £125 plus VAT listed price was around £195 before discount

Few people have that sort of money to spare. Certainly out of my price range, even if I was installing them in my own house.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Let’s just say after some haggling that’s £150 a pop , so on a 10 circuit board change materials around 1700 quid + labour + certs = 2500 quid ish

That’s a lot of money for a basic board swap

 

[ashrow]

Let’s just say after some haggling that’s £150 a pop , so on a 10 circuit board change materials around 1700 quid + labour + certs = 2500 quid ish

That’s a lot of money for a basic board swap

I do board changes now with rcbo's and do not charge more then £400-£500 i could not see any of my clients spending £1500 plus.....its hard enough getting them to have a surge protection

 

[Dustydazzler]

I do board changes now with rcbo's and do not charge more then £400-£500 i could not see any of my clients spending £1500 plus.....its hard enough getting them to have a surge protection

That’s my point , getting a home owner to part with 2 grand for a basic board swap will be pretty tricky especially when arc Fault devices are still pretty much unproven in the u.k

Most customers give me a funny look when I tell them it’s £200 for surge protection

 

[happysteve]

Let’s just say after some haggling that’s £150 a pop , so on a 10 circuit board change materials around 1700 quid + labour + certs = 2500 quid ish

£800 for labour for a board swap? Gosh!

 

[Dustydazzler]

£800 for labour for a board swap? Gosh!

What can I say , a Bentley is expensive to own

 

[Robson689]

Most customers give me a funny look when I tell them it’s £200 for surge protection

Probably cause you can get them for 50 quid or 65 with enclosure & isolator

 

[ashrow]

i did not state that, someone else posted that

 

[Dustydazzler]

Probably cause you can get them for 50 quid or 65 with enclosure & isolator

More like 115 quid

Missing Cookie

 

[Admin]

Just saw this

I know loads of people say they do not work etc etc but it is good to see a single module.
I think i am going to get one and try it out

Are these the guys who went on Dragons Den and didn't get investment? But then got investment elsewhere and are now massive?

 

[Dustydazzler]

 

[freddo]

Neat, the last AFDD I saw in the flesh was an Eaton, 3 modules!

 

[Mike Johnson]

Surely then have missed a trick here by not disconnecting the neutral on operation, this is a requirement in Europe, or am I missing something?

 

[freddo]

The video said they are 2 pole.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I know, but they have a flying neutral lead as all the others and as far as I can make out the do not disconnect the neutral on tripping.

 

[freddo]

The second pole will disconnect the neutral, as it says in the video, and sales brochures.

 

[JK-Electrical]

I certainly won't be fitting any Wylex AFDDs .....

 

[freddo]

I think I would, the Eaton seemed a bit sensitive!
I wonder why they chose a red LED for the OK indication???