Nic Eic Assessment When Dno Haven't Been To Replace Earthing

[Nuvo]

Hi All what a day ive had.
ive just rewired a 2 bed house with TN-S arrangment. ive come to the testing and the ZE is reading 2.93 ohms. i installed new 16mm to the clamp that was originally on the incoming i cleaned up with the wire brush and tightened. still wouldnt bring it down. so ive called the DNO Western power theyve been out tonite and told me its not one of there earths they have not supplied an earth. they said they can strip back to lead core and provide me an earth for around 50-60 quid but wont be done till the middle of next week. Here is the big problem. i have my first NIC EIC assesment next tuesday so job wont be complete. would the nic eic refuse to see that job as i have no other to take them too. or could i possibly still take them there because i can show i can still test and show im going the right way about things and would be ok. the last thing i want to happen is for them to say its no good re arrange and charge me the 290 quid for rebooking. i was chatting to the western power fella he said to install a earth rod to a tt system but not keen on this idea what are your thoughts sorry if this is hard to understand but any advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

[Andy78]

Hi All what a day ive had.
ive just rewired a 2 bed house with TN-S arrangment. ive come to the testing and the ZE is reading 2.93 ohms. i installed new 16mm to the clamp that was originally on the incoming i cleaned up with the wire brush and tightened. still wouldnt bring it down. so ive called the DNO Western power theyve been out tonite and told me its not one of there earths they have not supplied an earth. they said they can strip back to lead core and provide me an earth for around 50-60 quid but wont be done till the middle of next week. Here is the big problem. i have my first NIC EIC assesment next tuesday so job wont be complete. would the nic eic refuse to see that job as i have no other to take them too. or could i possibly still take them there because i can show i can still test and show im going the right way about things and would be ok. the last thing i want to happen is for them to say its no good re arrange and charge me the 290 quid for rebooking. i was chatting to the western power fella he said to install a earth rod to a tt system but not keen on this idea what are your thoughts sorry if this is hard to understand but any advice will be greatly appreciated.

You should have assessed the earthing arrangement before carrying out the work as per the regs. A clamp onto a sheath that has not been provided by the DNO is not suitable and your only option is to use a temporary rod until a DNO connection has been made. You are right, it's not ideal.

 

[uksparks]

Erm... If I were you I would have wrapped up a job long ago to show them, not leave it until the last minute.

However, you are in this position now and need to come up with a plan.

If WPD won't come out any sooner, I would bang an earth rod in.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Seems kinda silly doing a TT with a probable Ra far exceeding the present 2.93 ohms!
I cant see a problem with connecting to that as a temporary measure and filling in your EIC but not completing it. Why not contact the NICEIC and ask them if that is acceptable pending the faulty TNS being rectified?
I assume the present high Ze will meet disconnection times via RCD's with your TNS designed install?

 

[Sparkie30]

Hi All what a day ive had.
ive just rewired a 2 bed house with TN-S arrangment. ive come to the testing and the ZE is reading 2.93 ohms. i installed new 16mm to the clamp that was originally on the incoming i cleaned up with the wire brush and tightened. still wouldnt bring it down. so ive called the DNO Western power theyve been out tonite and told me its not one of there earths they have not supplied an earth. they said they can strip back to lead core and provide me an earth for around 50-60 quid but wont be done till the middle of next week. Here is the big problem. i have my first NIC EIC assesment next tuesday so job wont be complete. would the nic eic refuse to see that job as i have no other to take them too. or could i possibly still take them there because i can show i can still test and show im going the right way about things and would be ok. the last thing i want to happen is for them to say its no good re arrange and charge me the 290 quid for rebooking. i was chatting to the western power fella he said to install a earth rod to a tt system but not keen on this idea what are your thoughts sorry if this is hard to understand but any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Bang a rod in or prepare 349£ for a revist mate if not possible strip it back put a clamp yourself and play the game.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Bang a rod in or prepare 349£ for a revist mate if not possible strip it back put a clamp yourself and play the game.

Don't even think about it....P%ss poor advise.

 

[Nuvo]

Not got the bottle to strip back myself. i will call them tomoz as its rcd protected table 41.5 inregs book allows the max zs not exceed 1667ohms. im in a bit of a rock and hard place

 

[Sparkie30]

Don't even think about it....P%ss poor advise.

really? How many of those do you see around and Ze is pretty good MR wirepuller

 

[Sparkie30]

Not got the bottle to strip back myself. i will call them tomoz as its rcd protected table 41.5 inregs book allows the max zs not exceed 1667ohms. im in a bit of a rock and hard place

fair enough mate, good luck

 

[Deleted member 9648]

really? How many of those do you see around and Ze is pretty good MR wirepuller

Because it's illegal and an ordinary clamp tightened onto the lead is a real risk.

 

[Dave OCD]

Not got the bottle to strip back myself. i will call them tomoz as its rcd protected table 41.5 inregs book allows the max zs not exceed 1667ohms. im in a bit of a rock and hard place

Although the current Ze is above the max of 0.8 ohms for a TNS supply the fact that all of your circuits have 30 ma RCD protection ensures your new installation is safe until WPD come back. I'm sure the assessor wouldn't know that the existing main earth connection isn't an official DNO one and just explain you've informed WPD of the issue and they'll be sorting it out soon. Honestly I don't think you need worry as you've identified the issue and are demonstrating that you've dealt with it correctly.

 

[Sparkie30]

Because it's illegal and an ordinary clamp tightened onto the lead is a real risk.

Well clamping into a gas pipe is real risk aswell. Come on you not gonna use an impact to do it.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Well clamping into a gas pipe is real risk aswell. Come on you not gonna use an impact to do it.

But a bs951 clamp is designed to be clamped to a pipe.

 

[telectrix]

a pipe, not a service cable.

 

[telectrix]

Well clamping into a gas pipe is real risk aswell. Come on you not gonna use an impact to do it.

and your not going to sweat a bond onto the gas pipe with a blowtorch., unless you're a plumber

 

[Sparkie30]

But a bs951 clamp is designed to be clamped to a pipe.

Agree with you im not saying it is perfect, in real world you wouldnt do it but sometimes you have no choice.

 

[Sparkie30]

and your not going to sweat a bond onto the gas pipe with a blowtorch., unless you're a plumber

I have a blowtorch so you never know BUT not plumber lol

 

[Leesparkykent]

Agree with you im not saying it is perfect, in real world you wouldnt do it but sometimes you have no choice.

Buy/keep some hepworth clamps on the van then you won't need to use a tenby clamp

 

[Jay Sparks]

Apart from the other reason why NOT to mess with the service cable, if you were to do it, you would need to use a constant spring clamp and NOT a BS 951 clamp.

Jay

 

[Jay Sparks]

Buy/keep some hepworth clamps on the van then you won't need to use a tenby clamp 

To quick for me!!

 

[Midwest]

Agree with the other guys about not messing with the DNO cable and clamping it. When I've come across BS951 clamp on supply cable, I've informed DNO, who have replaced it. The OP also states he rang the DNO, who said it's not one of their earths. An earth is either supplied by the DNO or not. So if you start creating your own earths to their cables, what's to say after you've finished, the DNO for whatever reason, carry's out maintenance on their supply cable outside the property, and do not connect the lead sheath or the Ze changes. £60 well spent I say (for the customer).

 

[davesparks]

Presumably you have ensured the installation is in a safe condition first before even thinking about the effect on your NIC assessment?

 

[saint]

Like Dave OCD says....

 

[GEOFF S]

Hi All what a day ive had.
ive just rewired a 2 bed house with TN-S arrangment. ive come to the testing and the ZE is reading 2.93 ohms. i installed new 16mm to the clamp that was originally on the incoming i cleaned up with the wire brush and tightened. still wouldnt bring it down. so ive called the DNO Western power theyve been out tonite and told me its not one of there earths they have not supplied an earth. they said they can strip back to lead core and provide me an earth for around 50-60 quid but wont be done till the middle of next week. Here is the big problem. i have my first NIC EIC assesment next tuesday so job wont be complete. would the nic eic refuse to see that job as i have no other to take them too. or could i possibly still take them there because i can show i can still test and show im going the right way about things and would be ok. the last thing i want to happen is for them to say its no good re arrange and charge me the 290 quid for rebooking. i was chatting to the western power fella he said to install a earth rod to a tt system but not keen on this idea what are your thoughts sorry if this is hard to understand but any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Hi

Ask to speak to the design engineer, ask if PME is availabe.

Cheers

 

[Midwest]

Hi

Ask to speak to the design engineer, ask if PME is availabe.

Cheers

What's wrong with a functioning TN-S, if the DNO can do it?

 

[OldeSparky]

just bang a rod in under the floor, leave as TT.. sweeet

 

[Nuvo]

right update on today ive scanned ground knocked a rod in and temporary earthed as TT ive booked western power to come out the earliest is next thurs morning. i measured ZE come back with 43.5 ohms which is ok someone has piped up tho and said i need a 100amp rcd main switch as its earthed as a tt is this the case even tho its temporary cheers for views lads

 

[Jay Sparks]

right update on today ive scanned ground knocked a rod in and temporary earthed as TT ive booked western power to come out the earliest is next thurs morning. i measured ZE come back with 43.5 ohms which is ok someone has piped up tho and said i need a 100amp rcd main switch as its earthed as a tt is this the case even tho its temporary cheers for views lads

So you had a Ze of 2.9 ohms and now you have a Ze of 43.5 Ohms???? Well that's sorted then!!

The only answer you should listen to is from the scam that is coming to see you next week. They will advise on the best way forward for your assessment.

 

[telectrix]

as he said^^^^^. justinform your assessor thatthe Zeis high and DNO will sort it.shows that you're on top of the job snd have it in hand. ( the job, that is. not your plonker).

 

[BES]

as he said^^^^^. justinform your assessor thatthe Zeis high and DNO will sort it.shows that you're on top of the job snd have it in hand. ( the job, that is. not your plonker).

Think it too late for that [emoji1]