Parliament TV - FiT Review

[SibertSolar]

Ocean freight from China takes about 5wks max. I don't believe that lead-times were factored in anywhere in the process of the previous changes or the current changes. Stock, supply-lines and manufacturing capacity were unlikely to have been a factor considered by DECC or any of the previously consulted entities although I'm only guessing, I'm not sure.

What hacked me off was Greg Barker trying to use the very recent massive upsurge in installations as justification for their rapid deadline decision - rather than acknowledging that this spike is a direct result of the proposed changes! I shouldn't be surprised, although I am somewhat, that there were so many inadequately backed-up arguments from DECC. Can't honestly see this process as anything but lip service at the moment, any changes because of these ongoing discussions/arguments are highly unlikely, in my opinion.

 

[solarsparkie]

truth is like the rather large scotch chap kept on about!! they think we all been getting rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they realy dont understand whats involved for the smaller company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! weve not been getting rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!weve been training(sort of) and getting mcs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so its the Big boys taken the money plus the training bodies and nic and napit!!!!!!! seems to me the only ones short changed but STILL trying to help clients is the small companies??????????????????? hold on !!!!!!!!!!! just looked in mirror to see if i had SUCKER stamped on my HRAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

was there not enough rom for suck hard on your HRAD?

 

[TedM]

1:37.08 they clearly state it was installations, so solar farms nothing to do with it ( our industry representatives were asked what would they like to kill large scale or small they recomended large scale at that meeting they must have been tiped of back then as the 12 weeks is exactly what they said was their slow boat from china took to arrive in the uk circumstantial I agree but close enough to arouse a whole lot of suss.

I took that to mean that the stats were for completed installations, not necessarily that they were for number of installations. Nobody from DECC mentioned solar farms so I'm assuming that their figures will have included them - otherwise they would have made a point of saying that this large increase was this big even though they had excluded them.

 

[whinmoor]

Parliament TV continues coverage today:

Player

HoC Environmental Audit and Energy and Climate Change Committee Thursday 1 December 2011


Boothroyd Room
Meeting starts at 11.40am

Solar Power Feed-in Tariffs
Witnesses

• Chloe Smith MP, Economic Secretary, and Jonathan Mills, Deputy Director, Energy Environment and Agriculture, HM Treasury

 

[Earthstore]

11.49, They are either late or the player does not work!

 

[whinmoor]

I think they are just allowing the tension and excitement to build. It doesn't get much more dramatic than this....

 

[Somecamel]

15 mins late now?

 

[Earthstore]

Guess they have stopped for lunch now, while I sit here trying to sort out FIT forms for my customers...
Good Energy here I come...

 

[Somecamel]

Starting now- 12:25 apparently

 

[Earthstore]

Long Lunch, maybe they are having pudding!
Wish we could afford pudding or even a lunch break would be good.....

 

[SRE]

Has it started I still can't get anything. The suspense is killing me!

 

[Somecamel]

Still not working- I reported it to the Parliamentary Information office and had a reply that they were aware of a problem and trying to fix this.

We have no idea of the meeting has actually started and if it has whether we will even be able to watch it now.

I'm hoping they didn't start until the feed in fixed.

 

[Somecamel]

The committee meeting has now disappeared from the listings for Parliament TV- Very strange

 

[SRE]

Spooky!!

 

[Earthstore]

Well, I was getting so excited, I thought, maybe, just maybe, this meeting would inform me if all I had worked for had any future left in it.
Ah, got it now, we are in pantomime season...
That must be what this whole FIT/RHI is about!
Joking apart, I have never, in my life, known such an Industry as this, the rules seem to change daily.
I have also read, that if we sell systems today at the 21p tariff, we will be miss-selling as the consultation period is not over.
So what the hell do we tell our customers, and what do I tell my bank manager? Sorry I have not earned any money this month because the Government changes its mind every day!
It's about time they portrayed some Thatcher politics, like them or not, right or wrong, these are the rules.
At least we would all know what to do!
Rant over, have an appointment with Good Energy in the morning, with two of my customers FIT forms, and they are going to check through them for me.
What nice people..

 

[TedM]

I can't find out if the meeting actually happened or not. It is not listed on the Parliament 'what's on today' page.

BTW anyone noticed this page - Committees takes further evidence on Solar Power Feed-In Tariffs - News from Parliament - UK Parliament shading just a small issue.

 

[powervan]

be interested how u get on at good energy! ive given 2 clients there forms today (as a last resort)

 

[Earthstore]

I have spoken to them twice today, as I had a couple of questions for them.
And I have to say they were so helpful and polite, something that I am not used to anymore especially in this industry.
Let's see if I can tap them up for a coffee and bickie..

 

[Somecamel]

Audio only feed of the 2nd part of the consultation- Assuming the camera was sabotaged

Player

 

[WRDEnergy]

Thanks for the link... has been an intresting watch

 

[TedM]

There is something odd going on (understatement).

This morning I asked DECC to publish the data that was used to create the graph that Barker used in his meeting with EAC/ECC on Tuesday (I guess most of you saw that).

According to DECC the data is here - www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/11/stat...weekly-solar-pv-installation-and-capacity.xls

This data is sourced from MCS so only covers systems up to 50kW. The graphs are nowhere near those used by Barker. They do not show the large increases in August, September and October that Barker claimed had forced him to issue the emergency consultation.

The only big increase is in registrations after the consultation was announced - and we all know why.

I still feel that they must have used capacity data which included the solar farm installations (around 100MW I estimate) that were registered with OFGEM during that period. It is completely disingenuous for DECC to have included that data as it is clearly a one-off given that they have already alter FiTs rates to prevent them.

Here's the graph:

 

[SolarCity]

Interesting point. The graph that Barker used was absolutely ridiculous but at least the SC picked him up on it. I agree that the graph at he bottom of your post suggests a pretty steady increase in installations up to the cut-off announcement.