That is a big difference in the miles to gallon between two cars JonesyI know the diesel is dearer to buy but you will make saving in the long run.I will be getting a new car this year and will also change to diesel and will hope for the same increase in miles per gallon
 
think im going to take my engin out and install some peddles , like they had in bugsy , keep fit as well , will need a sleep when i get to site though
 
If you had peddels instead of an engine your own personal co2 output would rise with all that effort and you would need to be taxed according to your own personal co2 output
 
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I saw diesel 1.45 yesterday not a motorway service station either. Petrol was 1.39. As stated before there possibly is other ways to run cars on water etc but do the big petrol companies want people doing that?? It's not going to get any better!!



Look at how LPG crept up, and veg biodiesel (chip oil) is 69p a litre Duty + VAT, getting robbed for burning food waste in our cars/vans now as well.....thats all it is food waste LOL.....I can almost be sure that they will start adding DUTY+ the VAT to Electricity once people start driving electric cars, it will be a separate special meter, and the power company will bill for fuel excise duty and VAT added onto each unit sold....and bump up the price of household use electricity as well with "urgent funding for a greener fairer infrastructure" as an excuse...
 
That is a big difference in the miles to gallon between two cars JonesyI know the diesel is dearer to buy but you will make saving in the long run.I will be getting a new car this year and will also change to diesel and will hope for the same increase in miles per gallon

Its all down to the maths mate. Not in anyway disagreeing with you, but i recently nearly made a very expensive mistake. After sitting down with a car salesman at the local Suzuki dealer i was all set to buy a Diesel Grand Vitara, i was convinced i wanted a diesel for the same reasons as you have said. After he sat me down and worked out our (the wifes) annual mileage at about 7 or 8k, the difference in price between diesel and petrol, the £1000 i was to save buying a petrol model, and keeping it 3 years i ended up buying a 1.6 Petrol which was a year newer, had done 2000 miles less,and cost £1000 less I agree that in general diesel goes further, but at nearly 30p per gallon dearer you need to sit down and do the maths first before changing from diesel to petrol and vice versa. If you clock up big mileages then diesel is an obvious no brainer. Just as a side note, Suzuki sell more 1.6 petrol Vitaras than any other model.

Cheers.........Howard
 
just got rid of my 1.8 focus got a bloody xszra piccasso now its an extra 15 mpg

average prices ive seen is petrol 1.35 diesal 1.39.9 so far this week the van has had 200 quids worth of fuel plus 10 quid robbin git conngestion charge dont help gettin lost in london

I assume you had the 1.8 petrol. I had the 1.8TDDi Focus estate a couple of years ago, but before that i had the 1.8 Petrol Mondeo. Focus 50-55 MPG, Mondeo 30-35MPG.

The Focus was an awesome car, in 5 years it never let me down, and it turned those MPG's in regularly fully loaded and at warp speed on the motorway, if you took it steady at 60, i was getting into the 60mpg ranges.
 
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I assume you had the 1.8 petrol. I had the 1.8TDDi Focus estate a couple of years ago, but before that i had the 1.8 Petrol Mondeo. Focus 50-55 MPG, Mondeo 30-35MPG.

The Focus was an awesome car, in 5 years it never let me down, and it turned those MPG's in regularly fully loaded and at warp speed on the motorway, if you took it steady at 60, i was getting into the 60mpg ranges.

yep was a 1.8 petrol it was a v reg absaloutly brilliant motorway driving but the missis uses it for work as a community carer got so town driving it just drinks her wages away the xsara piccasso even tho its a bigger car its more economical on juice in towns with a smaller engine also need a fammily car with 2 kids
 
I seen the most expensive petrol I have seen yet at £1.40.9 for petrol and £144.9 for Diesel you have to ask when will this end I have to plan every journey now as it is so dear.It must be worse in rural areas where you have to drive 20+ miles to get to the supermarket,doctors etc
 
I seen the most expensive petrol I have seen yet at £1.40.9 for petrol and £144.9 for Diesel you have to ask when will this end I have to plan every journey now as it is so dear.It must be worse in rural areas where you have to drive 20+ miles to get to the supermarket,doctors etc

yep you right there mate diesel round here is between £1.36/9 and £1.44/9 not easy it soon goes hence the reason i want peddles ,having said that where im working at the mo is right on the beach at the bottom of a 1/4 hill that goes down for 2 miles great going down but a pig getting back up , well its the budget next week isnt it so we can all expect another 2p per ltr
 
We will need to wait and see if we are going to get hammered as usual in the budget,but I think the time has come that they realised the working class man has passed the limit on what he can afford to pay for.I
 
We will need to wait and see if we are going to get hammered as usual in the budget,but I think the time has come that they realised the working class man has passed the limit on what he can afford to pay for.I

supposed to be an extra 5p per ltr in the budget. lets see if they try to whoo us with not putting it on
 
I used to get 7 gallon almost, for £20 in 1990s now its more like 3 lol we used to use petrol to drive for fun soon they will be killing for it

at asda in leigh petrol £1.28 always cheaper than any of the other petrol stations if it carries on like this I will be getting my mountain bike out of retirement its been in the shed for last 15yr or more lol
 
I used to get 7 gallon almost, for £20 in 1990s now its more like 3 lol we used to use petrol to drive for fun soon they will be killing for it

at asda in leigh petrol £1.28 always cheaper than any of the other petrol stations if it carries on like this I will be getting my mountain bike out of retirement its been in the shed for last 15yr or more lol

£134.9 ltr round here mate:mad::mad:
 
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phil get a hosepipe extra long and i send you some lol are you any good at siphoning dont swallow though lol
 
phil get a hosepipe extra long and i send you some lol are you any good at siphoning dont swallow though lol

:D dont go there with syphoning mate. 17 years old little apprentice me got told to syphon anti freeze with a hose pipe. mouth full of the dam stuff. quite sweet in a way though, bit like whiskey an acquired taste
 
yes mate thats a good way to tell if ya enough antifreeze in car radiator dip finger in if it tastes really sweet theres enough in lol thats what my mechanic mate says anyway
 
eating antifreeze can k!ll you :(


I seen petrol today £1/35.9 and diesel £1/41.9 a litre I bet its dearer elsewhere...
 
wonder why all the car showroom carparks are full of petrol cars and most of the diesel cars are gone lol.....maybe the 15 more miles a gallon.... :p
 
I see in the budget that they put back the planned rise to next year and took a penny a litre of the duty.This is sadly all we could hope for.If Gordon Brown was still in charge he would have brought in the planned rise in duty.
This is only a short term fix as there will be a nice rise of 5 pence a litre waiting for us in a years time.
The 21012 Focus is a nice car but not many people will be able to afford to run cars like that anymore
 
wonder why all the car showroom carparks are full of petrol cars and most of the diesel cars are gone lol.....maybe the 15 more miles a gallon.... :p

Most showrooms now have alot of pre registered stock with row upon row of petrol cars sitting for months at a time before they sell them.Most people are can't won't look at a 1.6 or bigger petrol engine these days.
 
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I see the barrel of oil has went up in price this week,the cheeky beggers at my local garage put their petol up as soon as they see this on the news,I will be sticking to Asda in future as it seems to be the cheapest these days.
What I want to know is how the Goverment expect you to be able to afford to run a car these days?The last lot in power milked the motorist for every penny they could get.
 
The price of Petrol is down to the speculators, those greedy gits that sit on there arse all day making money from money. We used to call these types, the worlds parasites, because they serve absolutely no useful purpose in life. They tend to live off the backs of others and/or the misfortunes of others. They produce and give back to society nothing either.

It's about time that speculators in energy resources be taken out of the loop, along with any other essential commodities. You then stand a decent enough chance of having a reasonable price levied on such commodities. Only a week or so ago, the Saudis actually told the world that the price of crude oil is too high, and has nothing to do with them, that the speculation guru's are setting these high prices.

Seems that anything out of ordinary in the Middle East, or other oil producing nations, is but just a welcome excuse to send oil prices through the roof for these speculators. Just as Libya is doing right now for them!! Libya produces just 2% of the overall worlds supply, but the speculators are forcing prices far beyond that loss.... There is actually a small surplus of oil supply right now ...but you wouldn't know that by the rise of current prices right now!!!!
 
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The price of Petrol is down to the speculators, those greedy gits that sit on there arse all day making money from money. We used to call these types, the worlds parasites, because they serve absolutely no useful purpose in life. They tend to live off the backs of others and/or the misfortunes of others. They produce and give back to society nothing either.


I agree with what you say about the speculators !00%.The sad think is whem I read your discription of them I came to realise that the agency scum that are ruining our trade are just speculating parasites only they are driving prices downward(tradesmens wages) instead of up.
 
I agree with what you say about the speculators !00%.The sad think is whem I read your discription of them I came to realise that the agency scum that are ruining our trade are just speculating parasites only they are driving prices downward(tradesmens wages) instead of up.

I'm afraid that is the only professions to be in these days to get on in life, and make money. All sorts of parasitic operations are cropping up all over the place. Just seems If you can find a way of making a living without actually doing anything, your on a winner these days, and these agencies your talking about, fit pretty neatly into that category.... They make the easy money, while you do the actual work for minimal money's. The job still makes the same money, just that it's being shared around with these parasitic organisations....
 
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talking about parasites. what about the parasites in brussels, milking this country for billions, sitting on their fat bureaucratic arses, dictating our laws, employment, etc.etc. we have a chance with this lot. GET OUT OF EUROPE.
 
talking about parasites. what about the parasites in brussels, milking this country for billions, sitting on their fat bureaucratic arses, dictating our laws, employment, etc.etc. we have a chance with this lot. GET OUT OF EUROPE.

Europe seems to be a one way street we pay for French farmers to grow crops that don't get sold,we pay for the EU gravey train and what do we get back,millions of Poles and eastern Europeans coming in and getting free housing and all the other benefits and are taking all our jobs as well forceing down the wage rates for British people.
 
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petrol today seen at £ 1/39.9 and Diesel £1/ 48.9 wonder if it will go up loads, it went up by 3p a litre the other day overnight between the petrol station closing at 11pm and opening again at 7am...
 
in Kentucky petrol costs 2 pounds a gallon, and its further away from the middle east and africa than us LOL :P
 
i saw u/l@ 1.49 n derv@ 1.59 yesterday near Wick at 2 garages ffs

This year the news will be full off reports from the more remote regions like the Highlands,Lake District,Cornwall,Devon etc that depend on tourism will be struggling for numbers this year with the price of fuel.These prices are taking the (no swearing allowed).
The sad fact is that the fuel is only going to get dearer,who wants to go to the Highlands or Islands to get ripped of like this,never mind the overpriced hotels and food.Alot of businesses up north will be going bust in the next few years.
 
I think that they will put 2 or 3 pence a litre on fuels on thursday night or friday early am hoping that nobody will make a fuss (not that anybody can actually do anything about it anyway) off the back of the good feeling that there will be floating about with the event thats on and all that.....they know we are just a bunch of under the thumb pu%%ies in this country anyway so the "fund managers" will be laughing all the way back to the luxury car showroom (for the second time this year) keep a look at prices, there will be a lot of things in shops and supermarkets that will nudge up a few pence overnight including the petrol/diesel/LPG etc...
 
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This may be a stupid question but do use get red diesel in england, agricultural stuff? Been tempted to run on the green stuff here, bout 70p a litre in the south of ireland but £1000 fine first time offence so risk is not worth it
 
This may be a stupid question but do use get red diesel in england, agricultural stuff? Been tempted to run on the green stuff here, bout 70p a litre in the south of ireland but £1000 fine first time offence so risk is not worth it

The money you save is not enough to sweat everytime the old bill go past I would think.

I have to say its sad that we hold no power as they can put the price up and up and there is nothing we can do about it sadly
 
friends of mine have been on the red stuff for years, average of 20,000 a year over ten years is quite a saving, always had a company vehicle until recent so it never really bothered me, and when your been paying £1.50/pl for petrol this past two years you get used to the price, £80 of super unleaded for 120 miles or half an hours spirited driving is hard to justify but even harder to stop doing
 
there will be a lot of things in shops and supermarkets that will nudge up a few pence overnight including the petrol/diesel/LPG etc...[/QUOTE]

The simple fact is that nearly everything we buy goes by road so when the price of fuel goes up,everything we buy eventully goes up to.
In the past five years we have had a really big rise in the price of basic foodstuffs,meat milk,bread,cornflakes,etc which people are struggling to afford.
The rise in fuel duty and vat in January has put the price of everything up,and I notice the price of my shopping creeping up a few pence here and there on an almost weekly basis,where is the money coming from to pay for these price rises?
 

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