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they trip to middle don't they.MK Sentry units were (down to reset and up to close) like that until a few years back, not Hager as far as I am aware. The current MK Sentry Consumer Units are diabolical.
The bottom line is, a Electrical Trainee won’t have had the time needed to learn fault finding techniques.
It’s something we put a lot of time and effort in to teaching our apprentices. To the point of sabotaging a plant to let them take charge and find the fault on their own. Out of their time they would need to be able to get something running quickly, downtime at £XXXX’s per minute adds a bit of urgency. Only a structured testing method will achieve that.
they trip to middle don't they.
yeah, ive come across them a few times. i really like themYou will find they go to a middle position and you have to latch them down and up to reset , this was something that came about on the MEM then Eaton Consumer units , Its a good facility as far as I am concerned , because it needs 2 definite actions to reset , the only thing is the home owner thinks its faulty as they can not understand why how to reset them , but easily explained though...
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A Electrical Trainee will not be as time pressured as they will be in a domestic situation. And, dependent on previous experience they may be well versed in fault finding.
You are full of generalisations.
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How else can you talk - refer - discuss electrical trainee's without making generalisations?? There are 100's of 1000's of them out there...
The fact that the vast majority would have had no electrical experience whatsoever before taking these useless/wishful thinking 17 day/5 Week courses, is a more than good enough reason to state that these chancers will have little to no fault finding skills. So your idea of these people being well versed in fault finding, is not far short of being hilarious!! In fact it's something you'd expect a electrical trainee to come out with....
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A Electrical Trainee will not be as time pressured as they will be in a domestic situation. And, dependent on previous experience they may be well versed in fault finding.
You are full of generalisations.
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How many come from a technical background?
While not pressured to the same extent as the industrial lads, they’re going to charge for their time. Time the customer has to pay for and therefore the customer should quite rightly expect an effective and efficient service.
Could you tell me what proportion of a 5 week course is dedicated to teaching fault finding techniques?
However, how many 5WWs have we had on here asking the most basic of questions? Yet their CPS providers have badged them as competent. Are you saying that we should be encouraging them to carry out work which is clearly beyond their abilities?Not providing advice and instead harassing a Electrical Trainee is degrading safety.
However, how many 5WWs have we had on here asking the most basic of questions? Yet their CPS providers have badged them as competent. Are you saying that we should be encouraging them to carry out work which is clearly beyond their abilities?
I'd say that telling someone they're out of their depth is far more conducive to home owner safety than giving some chancer fresh out of a training centre a dot to dot guide as to how to install a 2w + intermediate switching arrangement.
I’ll assist any bona fide electrician.
The fast track courses as originally intended was a good idea in getting tradesmen back in to the mainstream. Some damned good lads came through this way.
Unfortunately the system was allowed to fall in to the hands of the money grubbers who have totally wrecked the trade I was once so proud of.
I choose not to help either DIY or incompetent Electrical Trainee’s as I regard them as charlatans and a disgrace to the trade. That is my prerogative.
I and loads of others on here have spent thousands on training and equipment. The major difference is that we have had a long, structured process of on the job training and theoretical lessons to enable us to call ourselves electriciansTrev, I think you are wrong here and this is why.
A Electrical Trainee spends a couple of thousand to get trained. He then spends a fortune on tools and equipment, some even purchase a van. Then more expense on getting a scheme to certify him.
Do you really think someone who has spent all this money is going to listen to advice on a forum saying as you are not competent you shouldn't do the job.
What will happen is he will just ignore the forum and get on with it. Bear in mind he will have been told by his course and scheme that he is competent.
Far better I think to give advice and try and help therefore.
I see this as different to a DIYer where it may be possible to convince him he is unsafe and should get a professional in. Like it or not, the Electrical Trainee will see himself as a professional.
I and loads of others on here have spent thousands on training and equipment. The major difference is that we have had a long, structured process of on the job training and theoretical lessons to enable us to call ourselves electricians
I am quite aware of that Trev. But I think my argument stands that it is safer to give advice than not.
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