Is loose trunking C2 or C3

[Baddegg]

As @DPG commented in post #20, I haven't seen any pics of the trunking so it's hard to say mate.

Very true mate

 

[Car123]

Yep...I was getting at the fact it didn’t when installed mate, don’t get wrong if that was in an escape route I’d c2 it but it’s a bit harsh considering it’s location

Well I find it ridiculous actually. It's secure it has not moved

As @DPG commented in post #20, I haven't seen any pics of the trunking so it's hard to say mate.

As I explained as I am not there I can't photo it I am 350 miles away

Very true mate

I cannot photo it as I am not there

 

[Spoon]

As I explained as I am not there I can't photo it I am 350 miles away

Then it's hard to answer your question mate.
Get the tenant to take a pic and send it to you.

 

[DPG]

Pay a local handyman to secure it. Shouldn't cost much. Pop the cable out, couple of holes drilled, pop cable back in. It would be good for you to find a local tradesman who you can use for jobs like this.

 

[Baddegg]

Then it's hard to answer your question mate.
Get the tenant to take a pic and send it to you.

We love a picture....it makes the whole thing a more immersive experience for us......for the love of good don’t put cheesecake in it though!....it’ll go wrong

 

[Baddegg]

Pay a local handyman to secure it. Shouldn't cost much. Pop the cable out, couple of holes drilled, pop cable back in. It would be good for you to find a local tradesman who you can use for jobs like this.

I’ve actually taken someone on now as an arm of my business as handy man stuff becomes much more a thing with the current generation....

 

[Spoon]

Pay a local handyman to secure it. Shouldn't cost much. Pop the cable out, couple of holes drilled, pop cable back in. It would be good for you to find a local tradesman who you can use for jobs like this.

Just to add to the above, if you do this then get them to use fireproof cable clips & get them to take pics and send to you. You can then send them to the electrician.

 

[DPG]

Just to add to the above, if you do this then get them to use fireproof cable clips & get them to take pics and send to you. You can then send them to the electrician.

Top advice. Indeed.

 

[Spoon]

We love a picture....it makes the whole thing a more immersive experience for us......for the love of good don’t put cheesecake in it though!....it’ll go wrong

Cheesecake may be good for fireproofing... Not that there is ever any left for me to test this out...

 

[Baddegg]

Agree with @DPG and @Spoon...There’s nothing says this work has to carried out by a spark at sparks rates ?

 

[Car123]

Agree with @DPG and @Spoon...There’s nothing says this work has to carried out by a spark at sparks rates ?

Problem is that in order to get the EICR signed off they say they would need to come back and do further testing once work is done. I am in a catch 22 situation with them

 

[Baddegg]

Problem is that in order to get the EICR signed off they say they would need to come back and do further testing once work is done. I am in a catch 22 situation with them

Testing of what?.....that repair is a visual confirmation....what does the landlord think of this?....

 

[Spoon]

Problem is that in order to get the EICR signed off they say they would need to come back and do further testing once work is done. I am in a catch 22 situation with them

I'd ask the electrician what 'tests' are they are going to do with the trunking, if the only thing wrong is that it is 'loose'??

Bugger... @Baddegg beat me to it....

 

[Car123]

Testing of what?.....that repair is a visual confirmation....what does the landlord think of this?....

I am the landlord. They say they need to test the system

 

[Baddegg]

I'd ask the electrician what 'tests' are they are going to do with the trunking, if the only thing wrong is that it is 'loose'??

Bugger... @Baddegg beat me to it....

Put the cheesecake down then @Spoon! ?

 

[Baddegg]

I am the landlord. They say they need to test the system

Right ? I thought you were the tenant?...must try harder sorry ?

 

[Risteard]

Bit of engineering judgement here surely...it’s been there years and isn’t in an escape route of any kind...c3 at worst surely? And it complies at the time of installation...

Complying at the time of installation is irrelevant. That said, if it is not fixed to the wall then it wouldn't ever have complied.

 

[Baddegg]

Complying at the time of installation is irrelevant. That said, if it is not fixed to the wall then it wouldn't ever have complied.

I’d imagine it was self adhesive that’s been worn out by the steam over years mate

 

[DPG]

Why do they need to retest anything? I smell a rat.

Nearly 50 posts on a thread that could have been summed up with 'buy 2 screws and 2 metal clips'

 

[Risteard]

Just to add to the above, if you do this then get them to use fireproof cable clips & get them to take pics and send to you. You can then send them to the electrician.

You can send all the photos you want to the Electrician, but they won't certify the work you have done nor would they alter a report which has been issued. I certainly wouldn't.

 

[Spoon]

I am the landlord. They say they need to test the system

Again, ask them what test they are going to do to the system, if the only problem is 'loose trunking'....
If there are more problems then this changes things.

 

[Risteard]

I’d imagine it was self adhesive that’s been worn out by the steam over years mate

Perhaps. But that's precisely why with SA minitrunking I always drill and screw it too. I would never rely upon the self-adhesive tape - it's only useful for holding it in place whilst fixing it properly in my opinion.

 

[Baddegg]

I use for just that reason now....self adhesive fire clips and wall dogs ?

 

[Car123]

Put the cheesecake down then @Spoon! ?

After works are done they have to test the system..polarity etc. It's complete nonsense

 

[Spoon]

I had an EICR done in 2014. Some loose trunking on a wire to the showers self isolator based on the wall was graded C3. In an EICR done this week the same trunking in the same condition was graded C2. This seems a bit over the top please advise

Ok, I'm going back to your original post, just to confirm things...
Is the only fault on the EICR the 'loose trunking'?

 

[Baddegg]

After works are done they have to test the system..polarity etc. It's complete nonsense

Feel free not answer but I have to ask how much was the initial EICR and how big is the property?

 

[James]

The point is, not if it should be a c2 or c3.

as said before, get a local handyman to pop round, put a couple of screws into it.
They must send you an invoice, detailing work done.

attach a copy of the invoice to the eicr and keep it filed away.

a report with a fault listed on it is still a report. the law says you must fix the faults listed on the report.
there is no requirement to have a second report done to prove that the repairs have been carried out properly.

if it was something like a missing earth bond, it would be expected that you would have an installation report from the work involved to fix the fault, this would be filed with the original report so you can prove to any legal body that is asking that you have completed the repairs.

you could even write on the notes section of the report,
TRUNKING SCREWED TO THE WALL BY
MR SMITH OF ABC HANDYWORKS
invoice attached.

 

[Julie.]

True, but realistically it may just be a short length of cable above the bath in the corner of the bathroom. Never going to cause an issue with access.

May be, which is why, when questioned i pointed out that if it represents a danger C2, but if out of harms way, C3.

It could be it passes over/round the door, in which case it would be c2 as it would impact the exit from the room.

The only guidance we have in this case is someone responsible has viewed it and assessed it as C2.

Could be wrong, but we haven't seen anything to indicate the actual situation to confirm or rufute the coding

 

[Welchyboy1]

There was a change in the 18th edition, associated with premature collapse of wiring, under this all cables must be properly secured with fire resistant fittings (or other physical means), if this is not present, then it's a C2.

Just gluing it will not satisfy the regs.

I get it If it’s in an escape route C2 but in a bathroom of a domestic property?

but as always I’ve not seen it so cannot say with any certainty

 

[Spoon]

I get it If it’s in an escape route C2 but in a bathroom of a domestic property?

but as always I’ve not seen it so cannot say with any certainty

The problem is that we don't know the route of the trunking mate. We have not seen any pics of it from the tenant or @Car123. We also don't know if this is the only fault on the EICR.
Besides I think the OP has given up on this thread.