Is loose trunking C2 or C3

[Spoon]

I am the landlord. They say they need to test the system

Again, ask them what test they are going to do to the system, if the only problem is 'loose trunking'....
If there are more problems then this changes things.

 

[Risteard]

I’d imagine it was self adhesive that’s been worn out by the steam over years mate

Perhaps. But that's precisely why with SA minitrunking I always drill and screw it too. I would never rely upon the self-adhesive tape - it's only useful for holding it in place whilst fixing it properly in my opinion.

 

[Baddegg]

I use for just that reason now....self adhesive fire clips and wall dogs ?

 

[Car123]

Put the cheesecake down then @Spoon! ?

After works are done they have to test the system..polarity etc. It's complete nonsense

 

[Spoon]

I had an EICR done in 2014. Some loose trunking on a wire to the showers self isolator based on the wall was graded C3. In an EICR done this week the same trunking in the same condition was graded C2. This seems a bit over the top please advise

Ok, I'm going back to your original post, just to confirm things...
Is the only fault on the EICR the 'loose trunking'?

 

[Baddegg]

After works are done they have to test the system..polarity etc. It's complete nonsense

Feel free not answer but I have to ask how much was the initial EICR and how big is the property?

 

[James]

The point is, not if it should be a c2 or c3.

as said before, get a local handyman to pop round, put a couple of screws into it.
They must send you an invoice, detailing work done.

attach a copy of the invoice to the eicr and keep it filed away.

a report with a fault listed on it is still a report. the law says you must fix the faults listed on the report.
there is no requirement to have a second report done to prove that the repairs have been carried out properly.

if it was something like a missing earth bond, it would be expected that you would have an installation report from the work involved to fix the fault, this would be filed with the original report so you can prove to any legal body that is asking that you have completed the repairs.

you could even write on the notes section of the report,
TRUNKING SCREWED TO THE WALL BY
MR SMITH OF ABC HANDYWORKS
invoice attached.

 

[Julie.]

True, but realistically it may just be a short length of cable above the bath in the corner of the bathroom. Never going to cause an issue with access.

May be, which is why, when questioned i pointed out that if it represents a danger C2, but if out of harms way, C3.

It could be it passes over/round the door, in which case it would be c2 as it would impact the exit from the room.

The only guidance we have in this case is someone responsible has viewed it and assessed it as C2.

Could be wrong, but we haven't seen anything to indicate the actual situation to confirm or rufute the coding

 

[Welchyboy1]

There was a change in the 18th edition, associated with premature collapse of wiring, under this all cables must be properly secured with fire resistant fittings (or other physical means), if this is not present, then it's a C2.

Just gluing it will not satisfy the regs.

I get it If it’s in an escape route C2 but in a bathroom of a domestic property?

but as always I’ve not seen it so cannot say with any certainty

 

[Spoon]

I get it If it’s in an escape route C2 but in a bathroom of a domestic property?

but as always I’ve not seen it so cannot say with any certainty

The problem is that we don't know the route of the trunking mate. We have not seen any pics of it from the tenant or @Car123. We also don't know if this is the only fault on the EICR.
Besides I think the OP has given up on this thread.

 

[Julie.]

I get it If it’s in an escape route C2 but in a bathroom of a domestic property?

but as always I’ve not seen it so cannot say with any certainty

The regulation is absolute, not dependent on where it is, however engineering judgement can result in C2 or C3 based on how dangerous it is in an EICR, hence my follow up post:

No.

If the failure to support against premature collapse could represent a danger, then C2, but if its out of harms way, it would be C3.

Both would be unacceptable for a new installation though.

If its a long route in a bathroom it could obstruct entry/exit from the bath/toilet/door etc, so that would be a C2 , if a short length in a corner out of harms way - ok for C3

But if the trunking's original glued backing has failed so you replace that with more glue, you still haven't changed anything!

It was a C2/C3 because it had no protection against premature collapse and it would remain exactly the same because it still has no protection against premature collapse, so the same coding!

 

[Car123]

I get it If it’s in an escape route C2 but in a bathroom of a domestic property?

but as always I’ve not seen it so cannot say with any certainty

The trunking is on the wall in the kitchen on the other side of the wall from bsthroom. In the 2014 EICR it was C3. The present electricians say C2 on the grounds of IP. I understand this has to do with water ingress. I could understand if it was in the bathroom because of steam. I asked for clarification on this but got no answer from them. Its a minor point really. But there has been quite a lot of questions and they have changed their minds on other things.

 

[DPG]

Did you not get it sorted? Just needs a handyman to screw it to the wall.

 

[Car123]

Did you not get it sorted? Just needs a handyman to screw it to the wall.

I was not actually aware of the C3 as an agent had it. It only came out when I searched for it in view of the present EICR. As yes I would have sorted it. As it is as I am 350 miles away it is not going to be cheaper or easier to get yet another person in.

 

[DPG]

Hard work this.

 

[Julie.]

The trunking is on the wall in the kitchen on the other side of the wall from bsthroom. In the 2014 EICR it was C3. The present electricians say C2 on the grounds of IP. I understand this has to do with water ingress. I could understand if it was in the bathroom because of steam. I asked for clarification on this but got no answer from them. Its a minor point really. But there has been quite a lot of questions and they have changed their minds on other things.

Hang on for IP it's C2?

And not in the bathroom?

This is different from all previous notes, where exactly is it, and what is the description on the EICR - they say loose trunking or IP - it ought to have a code against it, this should clarify exactly why they are grading it C2

I find it difficult to grade C2 on IP if the trunking contains normal twin and earth type cable (grey or white flat style stuff) as this is inherently double insulated.

 

[DPG]

Hang on for IP it's C2?

And not in the bathroom?

This is different from all previous notes, where exactly is it, and what is the description on the EICR - they say loose trunking or IP - it ought to have a code against it, this should clarify exactly why they are grading it C2

I find it difficult to grade C2 on IP if the trunking contains normal twin and earth type cable (grey or white flat style stuff) as this is inherently double insulated.

I'm confused also. We've gone from loose trunking in bathroom to IP failing on trunking in the kitchen.

 

[nicebutdim]

Seems to me that a few threads of this type are intended to solicit nothing more than affirmation of the OP's opinions and a stick with which to beat the spark who carried out the EICR.

Sometimes it is clear that reports aren't worth ther paper they're written on, but in this instance questions have been raised on the basis that issues weren't highlighted in previous reports and should therefore not be highlighted in this one.

 

[Spoon]

Seems to me that a few threads of this type are intended to solicit nothing more than affirmation of the OP's opinions and a stick with which to beat the spark who carried out the EICR.

It does read that way mate.
Changing conditions and questions not answered.... As @DPG has said, this is hard work.