EICR's after 1st Jan 2019 ....

[Octopus]

So you are doing an EICR next year and you are inspecting a consumer unit with these 2 "makes" of RCBO's in it ...

So is it:

 

[Pete999]

Couldn't be bothered to look up the relevant regulation regarding this issue, something you should all be aware of.

 

[Pete999]

No code for me as lewden brought CGD ages ago. They are manufactured in the same plant they’ve always been and a simple email to lewden will confirm they are designed for boards labeled as CGD. No different to when Schneider brought square D.

As long as they are not subject to a product recall. for whatever reason, if my memory serves me well.

 

[Octopus]

Couldn't be bothered to look up the relevant regulation regarding this issue, something you should all be aware of.

I would say that as usual, BS 7671 has poor wording so as this thread clearly demonstrates, different people will interpret the reg differently .... and confusion will reign ...

 

[Risteard]

I report on them all the time.

Likewise.

 

[Toneyz]

I don't have one I did have one, but thought better of it and pressed the button, does that answer your questions, Murdoch and Anthonybragg and to add I couldn't really give a **** about top poster, so that remark was uncalled for.

Was only jesting with you Pete as I am sure were ESSEX and Murdoch, Sorry if you didn't see it in the same light.

 

[Pete999]

Was only jesting with you Pete as I am sure were ESSEX and Murdoch, Sorry if you didn't see it in the same light.

Right OK

 

[Nigel]

Right OK

See. Another pointless post just to get your post count up. :mtongue:

 

[Pete999]

Was only jesting with you Pete as I am sure were ESSEX and Murdoch, Sorry if you didn't see it in the same light.

No need for apologies Ant

 

[suffolkspark]

No comment required on cert for this example as they are the same, some manufacturers gear is type tested for use in others an example being surge protection devices ltd whos spds have been type tested for use in lewden/cgd boards.

 

[Dave OCD]

The manufacturers of those two RCBOs have made a conscious attempt to differentiate them selves from each other by branding them differently.

It's not for the end user, installer or even inspector to jump to the conclusion that just because both manufacturers have used the same style of casing, which may well be made by the same manufacturer, that the product inside is exactly the same - I think I would struggle to form a decent court-worthy argument that the reg relates to the manufacturer of the casing and because they look similar the different brands can be ignored.
Substituting a product which looks similar but carries a less well known brand is almost always done for financial reasons and I think a judge or jury would be likely to pick up on that.

C3.

You know I think we can get a bit carried away at times on here, I'd love to know where two different makes of RCBO in the same DB, both correctly fitted and of identical dimensions and characteristics could result in an installer or inspector ending up in front of a judge and jury !

 

[ruston]

Instead of putting the onus on the installer/tester the manufactures should have to bite the bullet as we do and declare their compatible, or otherwise components.

 

[Adam W]

Same manufacturer in the op picture but I agree with your comments regarding different brands used

I didn't realise it was the same brand - I don't often use Lewden.

 

[Nigel]

You know I think we can get a bit carried away at times on here, I'd love to know where two different makes of RCBO in the same DB, both correctly fitted and of identical dimensions and characteristics could result in an installer or inspector ending up in front of a judge and jury !

Agreed. Ridiculous comment.

 

[Selfmade]

I bought a CED consumer unit from QVS when I'd not long started and it came with some Excel (QVS own brand I believe) MCBs. They were identical to the CED ones and already installed in the CU. Would this stand up in court? I still have some Excel MCBs and plan to fit a couple in a CED consumer unit which currently has an incorrect Hager MCB fitted for one circuit.

 

[Selfmade]

MEM & Eaton. Obviously the same and seen them mixed in a board many times. Possibly GE too.

 

[Selfmade]

Shirly the only thing that matters from a technical perspective is that the bus bar makes proper contact with the feed terminal of the breaker.

 

[Nigel]

Shirly the only thing that matters from a technical perspective is that the bus bar makes proper contact with the feed terminal of the breaker.

There is heat dissipation between adjacent MCBs too.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

This has been in force since the 17th 3rd amendment.

 

[Adam W]

You know I think we can get a bit carried away at times on here, I'd love to know where two different makes of RCBO in the same DB, both correctly fitted and of identical dimensions and characteristics could result in an installer or inspector ending up in front of a judge and jury !

Maybe unlikely, but do you not think if anything (perhaps unrelated) were to go wrong a solicitor would jump on the fact that a 'professional' had wilfully ignored their own industry's code of best practice?

 

[Adam W]

Agreed. Ridiculous comment.

So you would just disregard that regulation then would you Neil?
What other regulations would you choose to ignore? All of them?
It's people like you that give the industry a bad name.