no earth on lighting r1+r2 what do you put on sheet

[buzzlightyear]

another wise one .when in stalling a new cu with rcd and no cpc on lighting . you should not install it
yes

 

[Taylortwocities]

You can install it but Needs agreement of client.
Read chapter 10 here
http://www.----------------------------/mediafile/100423440/Best-Practice-Guide-1-Issue-3-.pdf

 

[Gnasher]

It does not state that you can do it with the clients agreement.

It states that you need to try and get the client to agree to either rewiring the lighting circuits or the addition of a CPC installed to all accessible points. If the client refuses this then a fall back would be to offer to replace all class 1 accessories with class 2 or the circuits can not be reconnected if this is also refused then.

AS AN ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT then a risk assessment should be carried out with the additional tests listed. If any of the additional test fail then thoes lighting circuits can not be re connected.

On completion a record of any non compliances must be made in the comments box

I would also add the risk assessments carried out with the results, this may require an additional sheet of paper attached to your report documenting the chain of events and the clients refusal to carry out remidal works and the additional risk assessment tests and results.

I would have thought that this senario would be down to replacing the CU due to damage or fault as if the client refused to renew the circuits at the same time as a CU upgrade you would probably walk away as alarm bell would start to ring.

At the end of the day as you are the technically competent person offering advice you carry the can and can not rely on a defence that the client was happy for me to do it.

 

[buzzlightyear]

you write what you are saying . got a call out to job where their was a fault no cpc any where
metal back boxes and plastic fronts in some rooms. and in others rooms not one back box just the plate screwed to the wall
told the owner rewire of lights . she was more concerned about her bloody alarm .I asked her the alarm was fitted by a spark she said
no bonding gas or water I then walked away

 

[buzzlightyear]

you are write . any cu I fit no cpc on lights ( no can do man ) savy

 

[Tony Barnes]

thanks. I got their in the end

Personally I'd put a c2 code on the EICR as I'd class no cpc as a potentially dangerous situation although there's no immediate risk they certainly could be. let's face it who's going to argue with you. If it's not safe it's not safe

 

[Tony Barnes]

Personally I'd put a c2 code on the EICR as I'd class no cpc as a potentially dangerous situation although there's no immediate risk they certainly could be. let's face it who's going to argue with you. If it's not safe it's not safe

I'd put the c2 code on your Observations sheet and put Lim in all the boxes regarding test results sheet. Also if you want put an operatonal limitation on your Observations sheet explaing why no tests have been carried out on the circuits in question.

 

[buzzlightyear]

in my book no cpc on any pvc pendant or switch whether pvc or not is a c2 many times I have gone to many
jobs and found metal switches on pvc surface boxes . pvc surface boxes they come with lugs for the cpc yes

 

[westward10]

I'd put the c2 code on your Observations sheet and put Lim in all the boxes regarding test results sheet. Also if you want put an operatonal limitation on your Observations sheet explaing why no tests have been carried out on the circuits in question.

How is it a Limitation when the conductor is not present to do the reading in the first place. It is Not Applicable. Is it not like putting the absence of rcd testing as a Limitation because none Exist?

 

[buzzlightyear]

westwood 10 the man. you said about dave code recommendation point me in the write direction please

 

[westward10]

westward 10 the man. you said about that daves code recommendation on ecir point me in the write direction please

Most people on here share the opinion that if there are no accessories which require an earth then Code 3, if there are unearthed Class 1 accessories then Code 2 as fault protection is not provided. This must be your decision though, some people feel Code 2 regardless of the current situation due to the fact that in the future an unknowing person may fit a Class1 fitting or accessory to the system no matter how many notices you stick on the CU.

 

[Gnasher]

How is it a Limitation when the conductor is not present to do the reading in the first place. It is Not Applicable. Is it not like putting the absence of rcd testing as a Limitation because none Exist?

Also the limitations of test are decided by the person ordering the work. Not the tester.

 

[Gnasher]

Most people on here share the opinion that if there are no accessories which require an earth then Code 3, if there are unearthed Class 1 accessories then Code 2 as fault protection is not provided. This must be your decision though, some people feel Code 2 regardless of the current situation due to the fact that in the future an unknowing person may fit a Class1 fitting or accessory to the system no matter how many notices you stick on the CU.

I like this answer, as on the day of the test it is what you find. Just like the MOT test.
Reguarding the future modifications is that not down to the suitably qualified Electrician carrying out the work refusing to modify the circuit if it does not comply to the current version of BS7671.

 

[westward10]

I like this answer, as on the day of the test it is what you find. Just like the MOT test.
Reguarding the future modifications is that not down to the suitably qualified Electrician carrying out the work refusing to modify the circuit if it does not comply to the current version of BS7671.

You would hope so but while people can go to B&Q and buy all sorts of bits the risk will always be there.

 

[Gnasher]

You would hope so but while people can go to B&Q and buy all sorts of bits the risk will always be there.

Unfortunately you are correct. However we can only look after ourselves, and when one of us visits each n 5 years time it may be a code 2 and we can charge to correct. HOPEFULLY.

 

[stevethesparks]

If the cpc is present you still cant guarantee the B&Q customer will connect that right

 

[buzzlightyear]

it ok for the government bring in a law. form that fat j Prescott and the grabbing bodies are not advertising on tv about part p or in the papers neither.
so jo blogs will go down to b&q and get the gear . savy

 

[westward10]

If the cpc is present you still cant guarantee the B&Q customer will connect that right

Problem with those diy fittings is that they do not consider more than one cable connection, they assume just one cable dangling from the ceiling.

 

[Tony Barnes]

I see your point regarding the limitations, in regards to what code it should be dose it not matter about your un erthed back box & lid screws that someone could come in to contact with regardless of if your light switches are class 2.

 

[Gnasher]

If there are any screws connected to a metallic back box that are accessible from a switch plate then it is not class 2

 

[Tony Barnes]

How many pvc light switches do you see with unaccesable lid screws lol

 

[buzzlightyear]

ok lets get this write .no cpc in back box and pvc fronts just twin no earth a nob head takes it off
changes the front with a metal switch. fault on the switch
he take it off. he path to earth. that's why the cpc are their for savy

 

[westward10]

I see your point regarding the limitations, in regards to what code it should be dose it not matter about your un erthed back box & lid screws that someone could come in to contact with regardless of if your light switches are class 2.

Yes I would Code 2 an unearthed metal back box unless it had insulating nylon lugs.

 

[westward10]

ok lets get this write .no cpc in back box and pvc fronts just twin no earth a nob head takes it off
changes the front with a metal switch. fault on the switch
he take it off. he path to earth. that's why the cpc are their for savy

I don't mean to be offensive but are you buzzing Mr Lightyear. I am struggling to have a clue what you are commenting on.

 

[Gnasher]

Yes I would Code 2 an unearthed metal back box unless it had insulating nylon lugs.

Or you could fit a plastic patters.