Online Trades College FRAUD!

[JCarson]

Good day to you all and thanks for taking the time to read this thread.

The reason for it’s creation lies in a dark place where I’ve slowly realised I may have been a victim to fraud. As an individual from the hospitality sector, a hard hitting impact from the pandemic lead me to take desperate measures and accept a finance agreement from a “home learning college” called - NTC / New Trades Career.

An online form was filled out initially and not heard back from for a couple of months. As the year of 2021 started I received a call and was given an online interview as well as videos explaining the 97% pass rate for the college.

A long list of City & Guilds qualifications were promised and a “interest free loan” of £7800.00 was offered after a “in-depth” review for which the sales man made the mistake of leaving his discussion with the finance company Carnegie Cosumer Finance on loudspeaker which I ignorantly ignored (there was no review of eligibility just a straight up acceptance of the finance).

I have ONLY been provided with course-books and nothing further, I was promised “around the clock support from dedicated tutors” in an attempt to contact them, my “dedicated” tutor wasn’t even there to answer the call and his plumbing counterpart simply outlined that I should circle the answers and hand in the results online.

The promised “virtual learning” is nowhere to be seen and I am now paying £180.00 per month with no choice but to continue suffering in silence.

I cannot believe I have been sold into a deal like this, even if no one can help me escape this financial prison of an agreement, if this forum can even stop another young lad or older gentlemen from being in my position at least some of you will be able to finesse these venomous fangs of manipulation.

I plead to anyone who can help me get out of this deal, as a family man I am struggling to stay afloat and now have another huge bill to deal with.

Thank you all for your time, J.

 

[i=p/u]

Aye ye bought rubbish, but get off them what ya can or stop paying as service not provided, but probably get letters every week from debt company if ya did pull plug...

This has been going on for years, as people not happy with fees they paying and outcome achieved

 

[stevethesparks]

What sort of account is this monthly payment being made? Have you tried contacting your bankers/card suppliers?

 

[snowhead]

Do you have paperwork for the finance in the name of Carnegie Consumer Finance?

Have you complained to them about lack of service for which they provided the finance?

Complaints Procedure | Carnegie Consumer Finance

Much like a Finance Company owns a car untill all the finance is paid off, then Carnegie must own the training untill the finance is paid off.
It's in their interest to ensure you and they get what has been paid for and if not put pressure on NTC or stop dealing with them.

You can use the Financial Service Ombudsman but you need to have contacted the Finance Company first.

 

[Vortigern]

I would cancel the direct debit/standing order and tell them sue and be damned.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

For any finance agreement to be enforceable the finance provider requires your signature and to show they took steps to ensure you both fully understood the agreement and importantly carried out affordability checks. without these they might struggle to pursue it, especially if this dubious college acted as a broker - in which case if they were not licensed correctly then its game over as the finance was not provided or taken out in accordance with the regulations. speak to citizens advice but I would in first instance ask the finance provider for a copy of the CCA - consumer credit agreement... you may find that the college embellished the truth to get the finance in which case they are up proverbial creek without a paddle when the ombudsman gets involved.

 

[JCarson]

Thank you all for your responses, I will try to answer all the questions in one reply, I did contact the college firstly saying I no longer want to be a part of the course due to affordability they said I can’t leave but that I should contact the financier to deal with reduced payments.

Carnegie financial then said it will affect my credit score if I apply to reduce monthly payments.

My next course of action is to contact the financial ombudsman service, I am worried that if I cancel payments to Carnegie they will send debt collectors my way.

I get very nervous with enforcement agencies and cannot deal with the stress at my front door hence why I am so hesitant.

Totally stuck, what a way to start the year.

 

[JCarson]

For any finance agreement to be enforceable the finance provider requires your signature and to show they took steps to ensure you both fully understood the agreement and importantly carried out affordability checks. without these they might struggle to pursue it, especially if this dubious college acted as a broker - in which case if they were not licensed correctly then its game over as the finance was not provided or taken out in accordance with the regulations. speak to citizens advice but I would in first instance ask the finance provider for a copy of the CCA - consumer credit agreement... you may find that the college embellished the truth to get the finance in which case they are up proverbial creek without a paddle when the ombudsman gets involved.

I had to sign an agreement online but I was told that within 6 months the work I’d get would practically pay off my course.

 

[JCarson]

Do you have paperwork for the finance in the name of Carnegie Consumer Finance?

Have you complained to them about lack of service for which they provided the finance?

Complaints Procedure | Carnegie Consumer Finance

Much like a Finance Company owns a car untill all the finance is paid off, then Carnegie must own the training untill the finance is paid off.
It's in their interest to ensure you and they get what has been paid for and if not put pressure on NTC or stop dealing with them.

You can use the Financial Service Ombudsman but you need to have contacted the Finance Company first.

I haven’t complained about the lack of service specifically but more towards the general affordability of the course.

 

[stevethesparks]

I had to sign an agreement online but I was told that within 6 months the work I’d get would practically pay off my course.

Is that bit in writing anywhere?
Also, were any practical and exams requiring attendance included besides online?

 

[JCarson]

For any finance agreement to be enforceable the finance provider requires your signature and to show they took steps to ensure you both fully understood the agreement and importantly carried out affordability checks. without these they might struggle to pursue it, especially if this dubious college acted as a broker - in which case if they were not licensed correctly then its game over as the finance was not provided or taken out in accordance with the regulations. speak to citizens advice but I would in first instance ask the finance provider for a copy of the CCA - consumer credit agreement... you may find that the college embellished the truth to get the finance in which case they are up proverbial creek without a paddle when the ombudsman gets involved.

I was self-employed as a cabbie for now and have since become unemployed pending interviews for work. This may actually work as a loop hole as my income and expenses were pretty much barely scraping the break even point due to the pandemic.

 

[Teddy Lop]

Be careful stopping payments as it might be like (as an example) carphone warehouse where you sign multiple contracts for phone and airtime as separate entities even though theyre interdependent - if the phone stops working and they don't feel like fixing it you "can't" just stop paying and they will go after you if you do.

Good luck.

 

[telectrix]

stop payments immediately. contact the finance company and tell them that you are not getting what you have paid for . that the "product" was mis described, and that they should contact the supplier to resolve.

 

[plugsandsparks]

Call your local Citizens Advice, this is bread and butter for them.

 

[i=p/u]

Maybe you Just annoyed about the payments? Not igood year to be in courses either

 

[JCarson]

Is that bit in writing anywhere?
Also, were any practical and exams requiring attendance included besides online?

I believe not, only a “predicted” 6-9 months to obtain the domestic license.

Nothing as of yet, just pre recorded videos on the web portal.

 

[JCarson]

Call your local Citizens Advice, this is bread and butter for them.

Thank you, I will try this on Monday.

 

[JCarson]

Maybe you Just annoyed about the payments? Not igood year to be in courses either

Perhaps however, I researched various forums regarding the same organisation and they’ve been doing this to others. People have claimed the certification are not legitimate.

 

[JCarson]

Aye ye bought rubbish, but get off them what ya can or stop paying as service not provided, but probably get letters every week from debt company if ya did pull plug...

This has been going on for years, as people not happy with fees they paying and outcome achieved

Thanks for your response. If I stop the payments, will debt collectors show up at my door though? Or just letters? The figure of £7800.00 is not exactly a light fee.

 

[JCarson]

What sort of account is this monthly payment being made? Have you tried contacting your bankers/card suppliers?

Yes, they are taking direct debits in the form of individual payments. Bankers said they will try to investigate

 

[JCarson]

Maybe you Just annoyed about the payments? Not igood year to be in courses either

Certainly, I do actually want to achieve this qualification. The issue is that the course is completely misleading and does not lead to the employment that was promised. Hopefully it works out, thanks for your message.

 

[DPG]

Certainly, I do actually want to achieve this qualification. The issue is that the course is completely misleading and does not lead to the employment that was promised. Hopefully it works out, thanks for your message.

I can't see how they can promise you will definitely get a job as an electrician straight after you complete their course.

 

[stevethesparks]

Unless attendance is required for both written and practical exam, I cant see it would be worth the paper is written on.

 

[UNG]

I can't see how they can promise you will definitely get a job as an electrician straight after you complete their course.

Isn't that what all these courses offer, at best in most cases it's self employment as a lightly qualified domestic installer

 

[DPG]

Isn't that what all these courses offer, at best in most cases it's self employment as a lightly qualified domestic installer

But to state it as a fact is giving people false hope. They should stress the fact experience will be needed. Obviously I know advertising is not always 100% truthful !

And to say he will be able to pay off his 8 grand course fees within 6 months of income after the course is very optimistic. Especially after he was shelled out on tools, an MFT and a van.

 

[Pete999]

Isn't that what all these courses offer, at best in most cases it's self employment as a lightly qualified domestic installer

"Highly qualified"?

 

[telectrix]

he said lightly. OK for light work but nothing heavy. ????

 

[Pete999]

he said lightly. OK for light work but nothing heavy. ????

Oh yes sorry about that my bad

 

[i=p/u]

Does the course hel get a crack at the whip and if determined thats all ye need, all the best let us know how you get on

 

[7029 dave]

Rip off Britain!!

 

[i=p/u]

No worse time todo a course

 

[FatAlan]

Been a few previous threads on this company. I suspect that their main focus is lining people up to get the credit agreements signed. The online theory will be an easy number to sort out in some format but I suspect that they will run into trouble trying to organise arrangements with colleges etc for the practical tuition hence punters being strung along. There have been other course providers mentioned with similar criticism. Wasn’t one of the tactics to offer some sort of impossible to pass initial health & safety exam that had to be completed prior to starting the course?

 

[i=p/u]

Aye doesnt sound good, but if you have the cash to teach yourself something new, and see the adverts, it sounds good.

A simple chat with a spark could of saved his cash

 

[FatAlan]

There’s a mountain of info on this site with the good and the bad highlighted.

 

[umz999]

I signed up to this rubbish... now im at the pre workshop test which im sure im passing but keep being told im failing it which is making me question alot of it now.

 

[baldelectrician]

As this is a credit agreement you will have Section 75 protection.

You should be following the route of service not being provided rather than affordability.

Specifically go down the route of promises made (such as support)

Also send in a SAR (subject access request) and ask for all info including call recordings- the guy may have promised things in the call you are not getting.

 

[bla8e1]

hi mate i am with NTC and am currently on my level 3 2365 , i have been in centre many times and have completed all the tmas, we have a group on facebook search ntc electrical students , keep going mate its good its not a scam i have all my level 2 certificates from city and guilds , once you get to a certain point within your tmas you will get access to city and guilds smart screen and get your c&g number and then start working toward your first practical weeks , join the group on facebook loads of lads on there who are all doing well and some are on there am2s , its not easy thou and loads of people in your situation

 

[bla8e1]

I signed up to this rubbish... now im at the pre workshop test which im sure im passing but keep being told im failing it which is making me question alot of it now.

PAT 09 ? haha nightmare that mate once you fail it 4 times you will get a paper version join the group on facebook loads fo us on there its not a scam mate its legit as ntc electrical students

 

[FatAlan]

May be my cynical mind but could it be that they’re signing people up faster than they have course places available? Coin the money in and regulate the lack of training centre places by fixing entrance exam criteria?

 

[Dil pk]

Good day to you all and thanks for taking the time to read this thread.

The reason for it’s creation lies in a dark place where I’ve slowly realised I may have been a victim to fraud. As an individual from the hospitality sector, a hard hitting impact from the pandemic lead me to take desperate measures and accept a finance agreement from a “home learning college” called - NTC / New Trades Career.

An online form was filled out initially and not heard back from for a couple of months. As the year of 2021 started I received a call and was given an online interview as well as videos explaining the 97% pass rate for the college.

A long list of City & Guilds qualifications were promised and a “interest free loan” of £7800.00 was offered after a “in-depth” review for which the sales man made the mistake of leaving his discussion with the finance company Carnegie Cosumer Finance on loudspeaker which I ignorantly ignored (there was no review of eligibility just a straight up acceptance of the finance).

I have ONLY been provided with course-books and nothing further, I was promised “around the clock support from dedicated tutors” in an attempt to contact them, my “dedicated” tutor wasn’t even there to answer the call and his plumbing counterpart simply outlined that I should circle the answers and hand in the results online.

The promised “virtual learning” is nowhere to be seen and I am now paying £180.00 per month with no choice but to continue suffering in silence.

I cannot believe I have been sold into a deal like this, even if no one can help me escape this financial prison of an agreement, if this forum can even stop another young lad or older gentlemen from being in my position at least some of you will be able to finesse these venomous fangs of manipulation.

I plead to anyone who can help me get out of this deal, as a family man I am struggling to stay afloat and now have another huge bill to deal with.

Thank you all for your time, J.

Its the same story form and same college. Can we discuss further please message me.