PIR codes

[huntos33]

Is there any emergency lighting? If so, I'd be happy to leave the RCD uncoded.
You can make mention of the wooden-backed Wylex in a covering letter but in the (literally) hundreds that I've encountered, I've never seen a problem yet!

There is Emg lighting yes, will note the boards in the covering report letter , was just wonering as the rcd trip tests would sudgest it needs replacing( never explained that sorry), so just change the main rcd up front and this will be fine then, its just many people say this is bad practise, but i assume the emg lighting would cover the total lost of light issue.

 

[Bottletop]

This is about the best you'll find:
http://www.esc.org.uk/fileadmin/use...y/best_practice/BestPracticeGuide4-Locked.pdf

Has anyone else had problems opening this link. I can only view the first page.

 

[huntos33]

Has anyone else had problems opening this link. I can only view the first page.

No working fine for me Bottletop

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Has anyone else had problems opening this link. I can only view the first page.

No working fine for me Bottletop

 

[Bottletop]

Thanks Huntos
Well just tried it again and still no joy. Can view the first (cover) sheet) and the rest of the pages are blank. Even tried to print it and it came out the same. Then tried the home pc and still the same. Deeply puzzled now.

 

[SJD]

The first page shows one sheet of A4, scroll to the next page and from then onwards you get 2 pages shown side-by-side, which might have something to do with not being able to read it depending on what version of Acrobat reader you have? Also, the subsequent pages take a little while to load, they initially appear black.

 

[Bottletop]

Thanks SJD.
Just shut down and restarted lappy and can now view it. .

 

[ganzo]

Handy info. Thanks

 

[nickblake]

so

Is there any emergency lighting? If so, I'd be happy to leave the RCD uncoded.
You can make mention of the wooden-backed Wylex in a covering letter but in the (literally) hundreds that I've encountered, I've never seen a problem yet!

sorry its a while after the post has been made , i have 3 house fires due to a fault within the board , also wood worm , lol yes i know and then if the board has plug in breakers or a mix of fuses and plug in breakers then there is a potential hazard with out the fuse cover as is often the case there is a small hole in the fuse carrier which exposes the main terminal , i have had a case where an elderly gentleman haning a pair of water proof trousers on a coat hanger stuck the end of the coat hanger into the hole and burnt his hand and gave him self a sever electric shock
so if you come across these boards with out the fuse cover then the coding should be a C1 if these terminals are exposed

 

[Bottletop]

Thats not a wooden consumer unit/back box. guess the woodworm are getting tougher. on a serious note, the chances of someone coming into contact with these exposed fuse carriers are miniscule, however still a risk so indeed i would also give it C1. Guess a lot of people would also say " been like that for 30 years and never had a problem.

 

[virgil]

hi.i didn't read all the messages but anyone mentioned anything for the codes for the new condition reportes?

 

[somersetsparks]

I do code missing fuseshields as a C1, wooden, open backs I don't code unless mounted on combustiable material. However, being resourceful I have a stash of wylex fuse covers from 1w to 8w for this eventuality. Saves failing an installation.

 

[IQ Electrical]

hi.i didn't read all the messages but anyone mentioned anything for the codes for the new condition reportes?

Hi Virgil, have a read of this: http://www.esc.org.uk/fileadmin/use...y/best_practice/BestPracticeGuide4-Locked.pdf

 

[virgil]

thank you so much for your help iq electrical.

 

[nickblake]

Thats not a wooden consumer unit/back box. guess the woodworm are getting tougher. on a serious note, the chances of someone coming into contact with these exposed fuse carriers are miniscule, however still a risk so indeed i would also give it C1. Guess a lot of people would also say " been like that for 30 years and never had a problem.

lol sorry wrong pic this one is , ingrees protection should comply to IPxxB

 

[GaryM]

lol sorry wrong pic this one is , ingrees protection should comply to IPxxB View attachment 13069

That's the underside so yes, IPXXB (IP2X) and it's compliant with that as you wouldn't get a 12.5mm object into there.
I can't remember if the top of the carriers also show the same amount of exposed fuse wire, if so then I'd be looking for a minimum of IP4X which it would obviously fail if the cover isn't in place.

 

[virgil]

can someone help me please,electrical instalation condition report how do you clasifie fan in the bathroom without window?but in the batroom with window?

 

[trev]

So it's in a bathroom with no window but the bathroom has a window?
You might want to explain that a bit better mate

 

[virgil]

sorry you are right.how do you clasify in the new condition report missing fan in the bathroom without window?but missing fan in the bathroom with window?

 

[trev]

Both bathrooms have no fan but one bathroom has a window and one does not.
Is that the situation?

 

[IQ Electrical]

sorry you are right.how do you clasify in the new condition report missing fan in the bathroom without window?but missing fan in the bathroom with window?

You don't need to mention this, BS7671 makes no
mention of ventilation requirements and that's what your report is based on.

 

[virgil]

ok so if you don't have fan is ok is not our bussiness.thank you.but do yoy know if you have a fan and no isolator for it?(three poll isolator)

 

[GaryM]

Both bathrooms have no fan but one bathroom has a window and one does not.
Is that the situation?

That's how I read it.

BS7671 doesn't mention a requirement for a fan in a bathroom nor if windows (or lack of) are relevant. It's a Building Regulations issue.

EDIT - didn't see IQ's reply before posting!

 

[GaryM]

ok so if you don't have fan is ok is not our bussiness.thank you.but do yoy know if you have a fan and no isolator for it?(three poll isolator)

If there's a fan installed then it should be to Manufacturers Instructions.

 

[trev]

Was just trying to get the exact picture Gary as his explanation was as clear as mud. I thought that was what it was but wantedto make sure, then IQ hit the nail on the head

 

[GaryM]

Was just trying to get the exact picture Gary as his explanation was as clear as mud. I thought that was what it was but wantedto make sure, then IQ hit the nail on the head

Yeah, I was just agreeing with your interpretation, as you said, it wasn't too clear.

 

[virgil]

anyway i got what i want it from IQ.they helped me a lot without funny comments.i think this is the ideia of this forum to help eachother not to get clever.thank you anyway

 

[trev]

No one was trying to be funny mate, just the explanations weren't too clear. Never mind though we got there in the end

 

[Davehaywire]

these are old codes for pir, they have now been updated there are only 3 codes now for the eicr
1 is danger present unsatisfactory
2 is potentially dangerous unsatisfactory
3 is improvement recommended satisfactory

 

[Niceguy0584]

Hi All

I am new to this site, and was wondering if you can guide us to the right direction, I am doing EICR's and I have come across falts which are wired from submains with 16mm2 TW&E and the cable run is about 12 meters protected by kfm 60amp switch, my question is this installation is over 20 years old and the earth from from submains 16mm TW&E is used, which is 6mm and is non compliance to current reg, my question is which code would this be classified as? C1 C2 or C3

Thanks

Adam

 

[monkeyelectric]

Hi All

I am new to this site, and was wondering if you can guide us to the right direction, I am doing EICR's and I have come across falts which are wired from submains with 16mm2 TW&E and the cable run is about 12 meters protected by kfm 60amp switch, my question is this installation is over 20 years old and the earth from from submains 16mm TW&E is used, which is 6mm and is non compliance to current reg, my question is which code would this be classified as? C1 C2 or C3

Thanks

Adam

What is the earthing arrangment? If you do eicr's for a living i assume you know the definition of each code?