Taking action against a cowboy install...

[1shortcircuit]

eebads was briefly covered in my 17th edition 5mw course lol

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[1shortcircuit]

Thanks spark!

I really think there needs to be a course for people doing the 17th which teaches the out-dated terms and regs!

I think you'll find there is, it's called experience lol

My route in means that my knowledge of previous editions is very limited which is why I do not yet do EICR's. Maybe when a few more additions have been and gone I will?

:thumbsup

 

[spark 68]

I keep the 16th ed amd1 and amd2 books, and the 16th ed OSG, as well as the 17th red book in addition to the current one to aid EICR's, I could really do with a 15th ed book too.

And a couple of the older GN's OSG's

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I'd be asking firstly for details of their CPS provider to check on whether they're registered. Then I'd be asking about why they felt the need to replace a 16th CU that could quite easily (I assume) had an RCBO fitted, then the stickers, then the testing etc etc. I'd then invite them to come back and test properly and certify and if they don't it's over to Dom Littlewood with them.

well as much as i dont like this kind of goin on.....
Dominic Littlewood Trev?
last thing we need is that little goblin`s fires stoking...

 

[Elmer BeFuddled]

If no ones hurt or dead your complaint will likely fall on deaf ears
take up your questions and concerns with the installer first and see what he has to say for himself

Sounds like just another case of an inexperienced sparky thinking hes doing the right thing with a little bit of knowledge

Probably not intentionally trying to rip you off but he's only seen a 17th edition board in the wooden bay at the college he was working in the week before he was doing your kitchen! Lol

I find that quite offensive matey. Not all of us Electrical Trainee as you like to call us (although I'm a 6 month wonder) are as thick as we are made out to be!!! At least we work to the latest regs.
(As Thom Dolby sang "At the tender age of 3 I was hooked to a machine just to keep my mouth from spouting junk.") Well, At my tender age of 4 I was soldering copper pipes together.

 

[DNS1]

I think you'll find there is, it's called experience lol

Very true mate.

Guess we're all going to come across stuff we've not seen before at some point, that's where this awesome forum comes in! I've probably learnt chatting on here over the past year than I would ever have learnt at college!

 

[spark 68]

Elmer don't take it to heart mate, there are good and bad in all walks of life, there are good and bad 'short course trained' people, just as there are good and bad T/S people.

 

[Elmer BeFuddled]

I may have spoke out of turn. This usually happens when I go on the Morgans spiced rum!!

Moral: Stay off the Morgans!

 

[Skyba]

Thanks spark!

I really think there needs to be a course for people doing the 17th which teaches the out-dated terms and regs!

There is, it used to be called 2330 lvl 2&3 alongside working with experienced sparks who you can ask questions lol.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Is THAT what it says?! I couldn't read the writing at all? Excuse me for being naive, but what does it mean?!

As I understand from a quick google search, it's a pre-17th edition term. Is reference method "3" a pre-17th edition thing as well?! 5 second disconnection for 6A finals?

NO ITS NOT `PRE 17TH EDITION`..!!!
eebads still exists 411.1

 

[not clever]

The garage supply is a distribution circuit supplying a 15th edition board.

So the submain should have gone on the rcd, not ideal but safer than it is at the moment.
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[DNS1]

So the submain should have gone on the rcd, not ideal but safer than it is at the moment.
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I didn't think it had to as it's wired in SWA. Once it gets to the garage DB it's effectively just an older install which should be improved, but complies with the regs isn't it? If I'm wrong please correct me!

 

[trev]

Has anyone actually had a conversation with the installer since he left your parent's house? I'd say it was quite important to ascertain straight from him the reasons why he did what he did. He may have had a great deal of pressure in his personal life and simply screwed up, I know that's no excuse but if asked about things he could well volunteer to come over and sort things out.
Further, I read you comment about the family not always seeing the best in their own. If one of my family got another spark in to their home and it went wrong I'd be sorely tempted to tell them to shove their problems, I wouldn't but I'd be sorely tempted and would make my opinions known.

 

[Skyba]

Has anyone actually had a conversation with the installer since he left your parent's house? I'd say it was quite important to ascertain straight from him the reasons why he did what he did. He may have had a great deal of pressure in his personal life and simply screwed up, I know that's no excuse but if asked about things he could well volunteer to come over and sort things out.
Further, I read you comment about the family not always seeing the best in their own. If one of my family got another spark in to their home and it went wrong I'd be sorely tempted to tell them to shove their problems, I wouldn't but I'd be sorely tempted and would make my opinions known.

I'd be very tempted also, the only person who has done this is my older brother, he's 8 years my senior and see's me as a 28 year old child for some reason. He wanted his cu changing from an old re-wirable to a 17th edition, I asked him to get the tester from his work when I was next in Cornwall and he seemed rather sheepish about it.
In the end he didn't bother, I wasn't worried I was having a weekend away and didn't fancy working anyway, I got chatting to him about a guy he works with who does bits and bobs of electrical work and has his 17th edition, anyway he's advised my brother badly on some variations on his kitchen ring to the point he has sockets that don't work, after chatting to him for a while and telling him what was wrong etc i quickly discovered that he has more faith in a chancer from work than me, so next time he cocks up and asks me how to do anything he'll get a little giggle followed by a ummmmmmm NO.

 

[nickblake]

Doesnt matter how bad it is no body will do anything ive seen inspections that are satisfactory and ive found 35 deviation including 11 C1's mention this and your told what are we suposed to do about it , the only time something will be done is when some one dies you can scream and shout all you like wont make the slightest bit of differance the only way some thing may and i say may get done is if the house holder takes action and reports them to trading standards , one example is an install ive recently taken over old manor turned into flats all bodged five meters on diffeant phases no covers on the meters , polarity reversed and guess what when the customer rang there trade body they didnt want to know still ive got the pics so she may well take action

 

[ackbarthestar]

NO ITS NOT `PRE 17TH EDITION`..!!!
eebads still exists 411.1

Its probably more like ADS 411.1 with a bit of EEB 411.3. Don't you think?

 

[DNS1]

Has anyone actually had a conversation with the installer since he left your parent's house? I'd say it was quite important to ascertain straight from him the reasons why he did what he did. He may have had a great deal of pressure in his personal life and simply screwed up, I know that's no excuse but if asked about things he could well volunteer to come over and sort things out.

To be honest, there is no way I'd be letting the installer anywhere near the house again.

Making a mistake is one thing (eg the wrong disconnection times on the cert, forgetting to label the DB, not realising the hob needed to be RCD'd etc), but this guy has clearly MADE UP his R1+R2 values for an RFC! He knowingly left my folks with a circuit on an inappropriate mcb and falsified his figures!

As melodramatic (and unlikely) as it sounds, that could have led to the circuit being overloaded, the copper heating up and a nice big fire...

All of us, whether 30 year apprenticeship sparks, or newly qualified installers know that dodgy electrics can kill. Making mistakes is excusable, doing things wrong and lying about it is NOT!

As I said before, there is no way that installer will be working on my family's house again!

 

[trev]

Well in that case, contact the CPS operator he claims to be a member of and LABC/Trading Standards but be prepared for them to do exactly nothing.