1 switch, 2 fluorescent fittings in shed

[PHS]

Just a quick one.
And I right in thinking I would take N/E from CU in shed to first fitting, take L from CU (with an E from fitting) all the way to switch, run switch L back to fitting and then just Dasiy L/N/E to next fitting?
not a lot of info on the web and didn't cover fluorescent fittings in the course.
Thanks in advance

 

[Octopus]

I would take the neutral to the switch.

 

[shagbite]

are you using singles or twin?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Just a quick one.
And I right in thinking I would take N/E from CU in shed to first fitting, take L from CU (with an E from fitting) all the way to switch, run switch L back to fitting and then just Dasiy L/N/E to next fitting?
not a lot of info on the web and didn't cover fluorescent fittings in the course.
Thanks in advance

in this case then do what Murdoch has suggested and joint the neutral at the switch....

 

[Plonker 3]

The web isn't the best place to learn how to do electrics. Colleges will be a lot better equipped.

 

[Darkwood]

You have your part P in domestic installation .... not a question i would expect!!! If you are just confused as to where best to terminate the cables the its common to run T&E to fitting (L/N), T&E from fitting to switch (L/SW) and T&E from fitting to 2nd fitting (SW/N).

This utilises the fitting as the cable joint too...avoid running any wires passed the ballast inside.

They are various way to achieve the same goal but all depends on layout and installation methods....

 

[PHS]

are you using singles or twin?

I'm using singles.

So I got L/N/E from CU going to? Then onto ?
fittings both have a l/n/e terminal block in only
cheers
shoukd have just put a ceiling rose in lol

 

[shagbite]

how have you supplied this shed? what are your earthing arrangements? is there any extraneous metalwork?

 

[shagbite]

I'm using singles.

So I got L/N/E from CU going to? Then onto ?
fittings both have a l/n/e terminal block in only
cheers
shoukd have just put a ceiling rose in lol

you can still use twin and earth for fluorescent fittings.

have you provided mechanical protection for the singles?

 

[PHS]

You have your part P in domestic installation .... not a question i would expect!!! If you are just confused as to where best to terminate the cables the its common to run T&E to fitting (L/N), T&E from fitting to switch (L/SW) and T&E from fitting to 2nd fitting (SW/N).

They are various way to achieve the same goal but all depends on layout and installation methods....

I do have part p yes, it only covered roses on the course and all the fittings I fitted on site were plugged into a click box. This is my first time fitting 2 fittings to one switch. Just want yo get it right first time cheers

 

[Darkwood]

Ps clarify whether you means Singles (single insulated) or double pvc singles??

 

[PHS]

This is the link to the thread explaining the whole job.

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...w-insall-workshop-cu-change-house-advice.html

 

[Darkwood]

I do have part p yes, it only covered roses on the course and all the fittings I fitted on site were plugged into a click box. This is my first time fitting 2 fittings to one switch. Just want yo get it right first time cheers

Their is no real difference whether a click or fitting ut sometimes you need to add an extra connector in the fitting for L-loop.... why not just wire 2 clicks and flex the fitting s then if thats more in your comfort zone.

My advice is circuit only, i assume as others are asking you have ensured correct earthing arrangements, bonding etc etc as part of the course of doing this work.

 

[Amp David]

how have you supplied this shed?

bell wire!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I do have part p yes, it only covered roses on the course and all the fittings I fitted on site were plugged into a click box. This is my first time fitting 2 fittings to one switch. Just want yo get it right first time cheers

explain please....was this a short course you did?:biggrin:

 

[PHS]

Ps clarify whether you means Singles (single insulated) or double pvc singles??

Individual brown, blue and earth cables

 

[shagbite]

explain please....was this a short course you did?:biggrin:

uh oh!

 

[Plonker 3]

Did I read it correctly, in your other thread. You gave up your job as a mate due to illness, yet now think you are capable of being a electrician?

 

[Darkwood]

Well you need to have mechanical protection for cables throughout e.g. plastic conduit probably most suitable for you if you decide to stick with singles...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

uh oh!

i just wanted to get a bit of the background....
i wasn`t going to start...

 

[PHS]

Did I read it correctly, in your other thread. You gave up your job as a mate due to illness, yet now think you are capable of being a electrician?

You never met my boss, slave driver lol.
I had a shoulder operation and can't work at the speed he desires any more and to be honest, the money was crap and it stopped me doing my private work with his continuing rise in work hours

 

[PHS]

Well you need to have mechanical protection for cables throughout e.g. plastic conduit probably most suitable for you if you decide to stick with singles...

All shed is done in 20mm white conduit for whole job

thanks

 

[Plonker 3]

So are you a mate or do you have the relevant qualifications to be a electrician?

 

[PHS]

i just wanted to get a bit of the background....
i wasn`t going to start...

Yes it was a 4 week course.

 

[Amp David]

HaHa, what do you reckon

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Yes it was a 4 week course.

hmm...to do...to do...
OK, well whats done is done...
never mind that now.....ask away (as long as its sensible)....

 

[Plonker 3]

Yes it was a 4 week course.

Do you not think he kept you on as a mate for a reason?

 

[PHS]

So are you a mate or do you have the relevant qualifications to be a electrician?

I was with him for 3 years and it was getting to the stage where I realized he was just never gonna show me any more. He liked to do a lot if the stuff I wanted to know himself as he was a little ---- about things

 

[Darkwood]

I fear you on for an onslaught of ridicule here and even though as you say you haven't been too good a lately you are asking the fundamentals -'first year' basics the more we ask the larger the hole seems to get... pls don't tell us you went on one of these get qualified quick wonder courses they are totally mis-sold and leave the graduates ill prepared...you should be looking at 3yrs training with experience to boot... The domestic installer you hold isn't worth the paper its written on and try not to take offence but the level of questioning here would be expected from a DIY enthusiast not someone holding PART P.

Apologise if im blunt but you really need a reality check here .... it could stop you spending yrs of little work and struggling, the only silver lining here is if you totally dedicated and a fast learner that way you can burn you spare time off studying and learning your trade, but you really need a on-site competent well experienced boss/mate to help you pick up the basics and give you the experience and confidence you need.

 

[shagbite]

hmm...to do...to do...
OK, well whats done is done...
never mind that now.....ask away (as long as its sensible)....

very restrained glenn. but i get the feeling your clenching your fists, as we speak.

 

[PHS]

I give up, it was a simple question requiring a simple answer. This is why I stopped working for my boss as he too was as bigoted as most of you.
I will go else where for my information

 

[Amp David]

try not to take offence but the level of questioning here would be expected from a DIY enthusiast not someone holding PART P.

Whats the difference between the 2?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I fear you on for an onslaught of ridicule here and even though as you say you haven't been too good a lately you are asking the fundamentals -'first year' basics the more we ask the larger the hole seems to get... pls don't tell us you went on one of these get qualified quick wonder courses they are totally mis-sold and leave the graduates ill prepared...you should be looking at 3yrs training with experience to boot... The domestic installer you hold isn't worth the paper its written on and try not to take offence but the level of questioning here would be expected from a DIY enthusiast not someone holding PART P.

it saddens me Dark when i see this.....
saddens me for the brave young fools that think its a path to success...
and it angers me to the core to think of all the scamming and scheming that went on for these parasites to ever have appeared in the first place....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

very restrained glenn. but i get the feeling your clenching your fists, as we speak.

its disappointing more than anything else....

 

[shagbite]

its disappointing more than anything else....

disappointing for these poor schmucks that get suckered into parting with their hard-earned, and come out of it knowing sweet nack all.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

disappointing for these poor schmucks that get suckered into parting with their hard-earned, and come out of it knowing sweet nack all.

well the only way forward now as i see it is for a national register of electricians...
what happens is you go to college....get your quals..
you carry out sustained on site training (apprenticeship)....get your quals
and if you havn`t acheaved these then you cant come in...
its as simple as that...
we get dignity and pride back....and the rackets are no more....

 

[Darkwood]

I give up, it was a simple question requiring a simple answer. This is why I stopped working for my boss as he too was as bigoted as most of you.
I will go else where for my information

We are in no way bigoted we have been gentle to be honest but you have as others have put been scammed by these quick fix schemes .... I did 3-4 yrs to earn the right to even work on the electrics in someones house safely and that was the minimum at the time.... these courses do not prepare nor give you any in-depth knowledge required to be competent to use as a career at most they are good for DIY who want to work on their own property with a little bit more competence.....I have answered your queries but in doing so i have expressed you level of questioning falls far short of a Part P domestic installer.... Harsh but true .... dont shoot the messenger attack the quick fix courses that have left you ill prepared.

 

[Andy78]

I give up, it was a simple question requiring a simple answer. This is why I stopped working for my boss as he too was as bigoted as most of you.
I will go else where for my information

Bigoted has nothing to do with it. If people on this forum, through the information you provide, deem you to be of not sufficient competence to carry out work safely and not bring risk to yourself and others, then it would be grossly irresponsible of them to assist you further. It's called professionalism.

To be fair mate, you really should know all the common circuit types and alternative ways of wiring them inside out after 3 years as a mate and a 4 week course.

 

[PHS]

I came on here for a simple bit of advice, nothing more, just some clarification to jog my grey cells. I have been in the building game all my life, it's not as though I'm a banker decided to change his career, I'm sorry if the fact that I've never wired up 2 tubes to 1 switch before and just wanted to get it right first time bothers all of you. Once I've done something once it usually stays with me. Having 5 months off work didn't help. At the end of the day, I don't consider myself stupid and asking for what may seem to be trivial advice to you, will be a question I only need to ask once.

 

[Dizzy_Maskell]

how have you supplied this shed? what are your earthing arrangements? is there any extraneous metalwork?

I hope you have not intended to export an earth on an incorrect earthing arrangement, just check the supply before exporting the earth.