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After all this you still do not get it.
I get it - you think the regs should be re-worded as you doubt the meaning of 'shall' and believe others are likely to find themselves in the same boat.

This discussion provides only a small sample of electricians, but all of them are perfectly clear on the meaning of this word.

I mentioned a video that was recently posted in which one person had the same issue, but I'm sure it would be possible to find a YouTube video in which people struggle with the meaning of any word.

If you feel strongly about this issue, it would be better to raise it with the IET.
 
I mentioned a video that was recently posted in which one person had the same issue, but I'm sure it would be possible to find a YouTube video in which people struggle with the meaning of any word.
This may very well be the same person 🤣
 
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There has never been any doubt in my mind that the word "shall" means that it is not optional.
However, I am to some extent a product of the environment I was raised in, and this is the interpretation of "shall" that I was always exposed to. I do not rule out that others' experiences may differ to my own.
Languages are fluid and words and their meanings can change over time.
This is why it's good that the writers/editors of the wiring regulations see fit to include definitions that make clear the intended use of such important wordage.
 
There has never been any doubt in my mind that the word "shall" means that it is not optional.
However, I am to some extent a product of the environment I was raised in, and this is the interpretation of "shall" that I was always exposed to. I do not rule out that others' experiences may differ to my own.
Languages are fluid and words and their meanings can change over time.
This is why it's good that the writers/editors of the wiring regulations see fit to include definitions that make clear the intended use of such important wordage.
As does the English dictionary 😀
 
I remember having a conversation 2 maybe 3 editions ago on a regs course and it came up that the regs had more of a legal leaning the way they had been written and the guy running the course said they had been written so the legal eagles had a better and clearer understanding of the regs when prosecuting someone who had breached the regs so maybe we should become lawyers so we can understand what we are supposed to be doing
 
I remember having a conversation 2 maybe 3 editions ago on a regs course and it came up that the regs had more of a legal leaning the way they had been written and the guy running the course said they had been written so the legal eagles had a better and clearer understanding of the regs when prosecuting someone who had breached the regs so maybe we should become lawyers so we can understand what we are supposed to be doing.
A sensible post. The regs are a part of the building regulation which are law.
 
Languages are fluid and words and their meanings can change over time.
This is why it's good that the writers/editors of the wiring regulations see fit to include definitions that make clear the intended use of such important wordage.
..or use firm words with no ambiguity.
 
It’s a big book of regulations.

If I everything was “you must do this”, “you must do that”, “ you must not do the other” then it would be even more boring than it is now reading it cover to cover

“Shall” and “must” mean the same thing… you could interchange those two words in any of the regs and it would mean the same.
 
Please advise...what is a AFDD for?

Arc fault detection. I would do an Internet search, there's loads of information about them.
 
Arc fault detection. I would do an Internet search, there's loads of information about them.
Are you sure the question didn’t have a sarcastic intent?

As the OP was about AFDD, but we’ve been discussing “must” vs “shall” for days now.
 
..or use firm words with no ambiguity.
Ambiguity only exists if one doesn't understand the meaning of words. This thread has firmly established the meaning of the word in question, highlighted that its meaning is clarified within the regs and how easily words can be defined by consulting a dictionary.

There's nothing left of this discussion to labour over and, as I've previously suggested, your objection would be better raised with the IET.
 
This is one of those threads that will go on forever with little point. It reminds me of a couple of threads from a while ago, can't remember who they were started by though 🤔
 
Ambiguity only exists if one doesn't understand the meaning of words. This thread has firmly established the meaning of the word in question, highlighted that its meaning is clarified within the regs and how easily words can be defined by consulting a dictionary.

There's nothing left of this discussion to labour over and, as I've previously suggested, your objection would be better raised with the IET.
I agree.

This fella can't accept when he's wrong, he's been placed on ignore due to postings on other threads.
He's also marking disagreeing/disliking when it is factual statements that have been posted.
I don't know if you could put him in the category of trolling, as I think he actually believes he's right even when there is a multitude of people that disagrees with him.
 
This is one of those threads that will go on forever with little point. It reminds me of a couple of threads from a while ago, can't remember who they were started by though 🤔
Wouldn't be the same fella, would it.
 
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