Chasing cable in a ceiling

[Diddy]

Ok here is some light reading for you. As I said Bs7671 is referred to often in court to show compliance or non compliance with the EAW act 1989....Which IS an act of parliament which IS therefore a law. Go and check with the guys who write the rules over at the iet forums. They have had this very discussion in depth so you can see the outcome of debates from over the years on there too.
At the end of the day many of us may not agree with interpretations of regulations and even weather something is legal or not. We can only offer professional opinion...which is what you originally sought. Now you can and have challenged us over our view over the job posted...You are getting a "free" opinion from professionals who's business it is to stay abreast of these regulations day in day out all of our working lives.
Now I have no idea what you do for a living but how would you feel if I asked you about a different way of doing your job and you told me I was wrong...that this is not the correct way to do it because of XYZ...how would you feel with my limited experience of your job that I then tell you that your free advice is wrong and that you are looking at your job all wrong.....Does that come across as a well thought out plan to you ?
As I say the IET discuss the regulations for breakfast lunch and supper.....they may even quote other regulations and the relevant "law tree" that "could" be used against you in court.

 

[westward10]

Well done for altering it. The problem here, if it was a problem in the first place is that BS7671 doesn't refer to zones across ceilings, or floors for that matter is because it is not an expected route to be taken and hence there is no reason to refer to it. I for one found it quite entertaining, no offence.

 

[westward10]

Ok here is some light reading for you. As I said Bs7671 is referred to often in court to show compliance or non compliance with the EAW act 1989....Which IS an act of parliament which IS therefore a law. Go and check with the guys who write the rules over at the iet forums. They have had this very discussion in depth so you can see the outcome of debates from over the years on there too.
At the end of the day many of us may not agree with interpretations of regulations and even weather something is legal or not. We can only offer professional opinion...which is what you originally sought. Now you can and have challenged us over our view over the job posted...You are getting a "free" opinion from professionals who's business it is to stay abreast of these regulations day in day out all of our working lives.
Now I have no idea what you do for a living but how would you feel if I asked you about a different way of doing your job and you told me I was wrong...that this is not the correct way to do it because of XYZ...how would you feel with my limited experience of your job that I then tell you that your free advice is wrong and that you are looking at your job all wrong.....Does that come across as a well thought out plan to you ?
As I say the IET discuss the regulations for breakfast lunch and supper.....they may even quote other regulations and the relevant "law tree" that "could" be used against you in court.

No one is taking him to court and the E&WR don't apply to him, he asked for advise, got it and is changing the method he has used.

 

[Gigsy]

Ok here is some light reading for you. As I said Bs7671 is referred to often in court to show compliance or non compliance with the EAW act 1989....Which IS an act of parliament which IS therefore a law. Go and check with the guys who write the rules over at the iet forums. They have had this very discussion in depth so you can see the outcome of debates from over the years on there too.
At the end of the day many of us may not agree with interpretations of regulations and even weather something is legal or not. We can only offer professional opinion...which is what you originally sought. Now you can and have challenged us over our view over the job posted...You are getting a "free" opinion from professionals who's business it is to stay abreast of these regulations day in day out all of our working lives.
Now I have no idea what you do for a living but how would you feel if I asked you about a different way of doing your job and you told me I was wrong...that this is not the correct way to do it because of XYZ...how would you feel with my limited experience of your job that I then tell you that your free advice is wrong and that you are looking at your job all wrong.....Does that come across as a well thought out plan to you ?
As I say the IET discuss the regulations for breakfast lunch and supper.....they may even quote other regulations and the relevant "law tree" that "could" be used against you in court.

I value all of your advice, I changed the circuit in accordance with the advice given in this forum. Thank you all for your valuable advice.
I do not know what objections you had regarding my original plan? The regulations people stated my original plan was contravening had no relevance to my design, but I changed it anyway.

In regard to the law and BS7671 and the electricity at work act. The electricity at work act does not apply as the work was done in my home, and so long as my design is safe there is not a lawyer in the land that can touch me, regardless of anything in BS7671. If however I designed a dangerous circuit, then yes it could be proved my design was dangerous by quoting the regulations in BS7671.

 

[Gigsy]

I think the problem with electricians is that they think they are the only people who are capable of reading and understanding BS7671. Maybe it is because they had difficulty understanding the regulations and needed them explaining to them is the reason they do not think other people are capable of understanding them. Jo Bloggs is perfectly entitled to design and install alterations and additions to a circuit, and can quite easily design and install a circuit safely armed with a copy of the on-site guide. Electricity is not difficult to understand. It is not difficult to put a wire in a hole and tighten the screw!

 

[westward10]

Quit while you are ahead

 

[Pat H]

And if a DIYer gets it wrong and a family member or guest is injured or worse?
Or as is often the case a fire is caused. Then explaining to the inurance company becomes an issue.

I can drive down the motorway with my eyes closed. As long as I don't hit anyone alls well.

 

[westward10]

I would leave it Pat, I have actually tried to defend his actions in light of people throwing laws etc at him and he has changed what he has done but he will do this till the cows come home.

 

[Gigsy]

Well done for altering it. The problem here, if it was a problem in the first place is that BS7671 doesn't refer to zones across ceilings, or floors for that matter is because it is not an expected route to be taken and hence there is no reason to refer to it. I for one found it quite entertaining, no offence.

And if a DIYer gets it wrong and a family member or guest is injured or worse?
Or as is often the case a fire is caused. Then explaining to the inurance company becomes an issue.

I can drive down the motorway with my eyes closed. As long as I don't hit anyone alls well.

The same applies to if an electrician gets it wrong, then they cause a fire or kill someone. Like I said it is not difficult to understand, it is very hard to get it wrong. Everything is standardised, all the hard work has been done for us and is all there for everyone to read in the on site guide!

 

[westward10]

Go to bed.