ECR Unsatisfactory

[SensesFailYou]

Hi guys

i carried out an ECR last week and it had a few category 1, 2 and 3. Obviously resulting in a fail which wasn't great news for the client. They said well there's no point in giving us an unsatisfactory cert and asked if I could do the works and issue a satisfactory grade. So iv since done the work and have the unsatisfactory cert half complete. Once this is complete is it a case of giving him that then also completing minor works certs for what I fixed leaving only the cat 3? Or do I just fill out a new ECR? (I reckon it will be minor works certs as well which will detail what I have done but do I issue just one satisfactory ECR and leave the old issuing minor works certs for what I have changed.

Cheers guys I have a few more questions but I'll add them while I fill out the certs!

 

[telectrix]

you completed the EICR with the fails etc. listed. then complete either EIC or MEWIC for the remedials and attach to the EICR. you can also enter on the comments section of the EICR.. " remedial work carried out as per attached documentation".

 

[Badged01]

Because you've compiled the original EICR and your redemial works are so soon after the inspection Id be tempted to go along the lines of what Tel states.

1) Complete original EICR - Fail
2) Completed remedial works with EIC/MEIWC (as applicable)
3) Complete new 'Pass' EICR with updated results from 2) above.
4) Issue whole lot as a "package" to client giving audit trail from "fail" to "pass" for work you have done!!

When you've had C1 issues with the original inspection this covers your "butt" a whole lot better than just correcting the work and issuing a single stand alone EICR!

 

[Dizzy_Maskell]

Just a note little deviation but I was told once by a guy to save on paperwork fix what's wrong and issue a new EICR throw old one in bin and just start again,

 

[Badged01]

Just a note little deviation but I was told once by a guy to save on paperwork fix what's wrong and issue a new EICR throw old one in bin and just start again,

That’s the practical way of doing it!!

But by the “book” you should be issuing the relevant EIC/MEIWC (as applicable) and registering it under Part “P” (if applicable) for any work you do, regardless of whether you are going to do an EICR afterwards. Quoting “I was told by this guy ….” down the pub or otherwise, wont cut any mustard in the judicial system!

In this case for me its particularly important to do it by the “book” as when you have C1’s involved you need to be thinking “butt” covering more than saving a piece or two of paper! You never know whats going to come back around the corner and bite your “butt” …..

(Disclaimer: Not that in any way I have ever done it the "practical way", would think of doing it the "practical way" or would condone doing it the "practical way" -- even where the corrective work was of a minor nature!! )

 

[Dizzy_Maskell]

One was only suggesting another persons methods, the company I work for are used as third party inspectors and never do remedial work purely inspections so we don't need issue any other paper work.
Just goes to show people are always willing to cut corners

 

[Octopus]

Out of interest what were the C1's?

 

[markc123]

Probably no RCD protection to the bathroom .... that seems to be flavour of the month at the moment lol.

 

[SensesFailYou]

Out of interest what were the C1's?

the following was faound:

1) Outside adaptable box had a large piece missing from the front,
2) Socket Upstairs was damaged showing copper
3) Earth stake was giving a reading of 425 Ohms (Couldnt even find stake if there was one! i predict under the floor which has since been covered)
4) RCD Not functioning properly. Tripped on half reading and during Zs tests even though my meter should prevent this.

 

[Octopus]

the following was faound:

1) Outside adaptable box had a large piece missing from the front,
2) Socket Upstairs was damaged showing copper
3) Earth stake was giving a reading of 425 Ohms (Couldnt even find stake if there was one! i predict under the floor which has since been covered)
4) RCD Not functioning properly. Tripped on half reading and during Zs tests even though my meter should prevent this.

Thats not a C1

 

[SensesFailYou]

Thats not a C1

would it be a C2?

 

[Octopus]

would it be a C2?

IMHO - yes.


C1 is immediate danger - which the other 3 could well be.

 

[coldyron]

Sorry for jumping into this thread but what's the general feeling about fixing C1s such as
1) Outside adaptable box had a large piece missing from the front,
2) Socket Upstairs was damaged showing copper

There and then? Personally I would show the client the issue and fix it there and then but I know of a lot of people who would just observe and write it down.

 

[SensesFailYou]

I personally fixed those issues straight away a socket costs nothing and I fortunately had an adaptable box they cost pennies also. The likes of the CPC and earth I had to with gritted teeth leave as it was late on a Friday and sadly I didn't have the gear plus I needed the go ahead from the customer.

 

[Flanders]

Rectify observations has you go along can add wait until you have done the full report and then decide if its worth putting a quote in or just repairing it there and then if you feel its not worth the paper work . If you take you car in for an MOT they don't repair things free of charge so it can pass the test