Pyro + me

[KAS1]

MICC why is there so many on here who are frightened by it, isn't this first year apprentice stuff, or are they only taught FP200?

 

[Simonslimline]

When doing the AM2 its FP200, although we have a practical assessment at college soon which involves both MICC and FP.

MICC why is there so many on here who are frightened by it, isn't this first year apprentice stuff, or are they only taught FP200?

 

[KAS1]

That's good to hear, it's easy as long as you are taught correctly.

 

[Engineer54]

When doing the AM2 its FP200, although we have a practical assessment at college soon which involves both MICC and FP.

According to officialdom, MICC has been dropped from AM2 assessments, and replaced with Cat5/6 crap!! lol!!

 

[KAS1]

Soon MICC will be a specialist's department, I can picture it now, a specialist company advertising for sparks over 50 capable of repairing/installing MI must have own MI tools and a pyro straightener will be an advantage, must not be allergic to powder lol

 

[Old Jag Lover]

Pyros are alearned skill,if you bend it and it snaps you cant just re pot it ,get a blow torch or a car clamping vampire removal tool,aka a gas axe,to gently warm the ends otherwise it will fail a meg test.

 

[UNG]

When upgrading installations that have Pyro it helps if you have an understanding of the cable and you need to take you time and have a bit of patience. The crash, bang, wallop approach will end in disaster and take longer in the end to sort out

 

[MDJ]

I actually think the op asked a good question and he has had a couple of good answers in general.

 

[Pete999]

If it snaps put a new pot on it, what's the problem?

Thats going to be simple isn't it, just a couple of problems with it supposing its imperial MICC, the OP may not have any experience with MICC, not a lot of recently qualified electricians have

 

[MDJ]

Pete is right, not many electricians these days have experience with pyro, it has in general died out and although a lot of us have used it some even many times it is not the type of wiring method commonly used today as it was 30 years ago. It is used on petrol stations a lot these days and unless you work in that enviroment it is unlikely many would have handled it. A pot snapping off the end of a pyro would be a difficult job to sort out, it could be old imperial and you will have to find the other end, completely disconnect, then meggar through to re code and ensure the new pot if you can find one is clear and safe to reconnect, the Op has asked a decent question and theres nothing wrong with the opening post in this thread.

 

[MDJ]

MICC why is there so many on here who are frightened by it, isn't this first year apprentice stuff, or are they only taught FP200?

See my previous post, to me, to you, and to others it is easy as we were trained with it, when I was an apprentice we soldered lugs on cables we didn't have a crimper, how many lads today are taught to solder on lugs properly? I would say in general hardly any, I know the standards today have dropped from years ago but not knowing how to handle pyro isn't something that makes electricians these days poor sparks, it is a method of installation which is dying out or only used on specific circumstances due to new cables manufactured and modern methods whether we agree with them or not, I feel sorry for the OP, he asked a good question and this thread will be a learning curve to a lot of sparks who have not handled pyro, however it is getting a little messy now and needs cleaning up.

 

[MDJ]

When doing the AM2 its FP200, although we have a practical assessment at college soon which involves both MICC and FP.

I would like to see it reintroduced if possible purely to see how kids these days would handle clipping 7 or 8 side by side over a 3 meter run, it takes practise and skill to make it look neat and to get the pots the right length, the amouint of boards I have seen with the pot a foot inside it because the spark couldn't measure the length properly is a heck of a lot, good practise to become skillfull is handling pyro.

 

[Engineer54]

To be honest i've never seen a pot just snap off the end of a MICC cable. Think you'd need to be giving that cable some abuse to see that happen myself!! That, or the pot wasn't screwed onto the cable far enough in the first place...

Most problems with pot's and/or low insulation values can be rectified quite straightforwardly, even if dealing with imperial/metric situations, if you know what you're doing!!

 

[Pete999]

I would like to see it reintroduced if possible purely to see how kids these days would handle clipping 7 or 8 side by side over a 3 meter run, it takes practise and skill to make it look neat and to get the pots the right length, the amouint of boards I have seen with the pot a foot inside it because the spark couldn't measure the length properly is a heck of a lot, good practise to become skillfull is handling pyro.

Quite right mate re introduce MICC into the training regime if only for an introduction

 

[Guest55]

theres nothing like a pyro thread to get the old timers grumbling about how things aint what they used to be.
yawn.

 

[MDJ]

To be honest i've never seen a pot just snap off the end of a MICC cable. Think you'd need to be giving that cable some abuse to see that happen myself!! That, or the pot wasn't screwed onto the cable far enough in the first place...

Most problems with pot's and/or low insulation values can be rectified quite straightforwardly, even if dealing with imperial/metric situations, if you know what you're doing!!

Totally agree 100%, what if you don't though? you are an experience engineer taught properly, the lads today never get shown it and when they come across it they have no idea how to handle it.

 

[Pete999]

theres nothing like a pyro thread to get the old timers grumbling about how things aint what they used to be.
yawn.

Thats not nice mate lol

 

[Silly Sausage]

What is this 'pyro' stuff I keep reading about on this here forum?

 

[Guest55]

Quite right mate re introduce MICC into the training regime if only for an introduction

think about that for a minute.
every trainee spark in the country has to be trained in a skill thats only used with any regularity in the petro-chem sector , which 99.9% of sparks will never operate in anyway.
not really a productive use of classroom time if were being perfectly honest.
our industry constantly moves forward with new methods and products and its only reasonable that the education system adapts accordingly.

 

[MDJ]

What is this 'pyro' stuff I keep reading about on this here forum?

:waving: hello M8, have you Sh$t the bed?