Pyro + me

[telectrix]

i blame all these old pyromaniacs.

 

[MDJ]

think about about that for a minute.
every trainee spark in the country has to be trained in a skill thats only used with any regularity in the petro-chem sector , which 99.9% of sparks will never operate in anyway.
not really a productive use of classroom time if were being perfectly honest.
our industry constantly moves forward with new methods and products and its only reasonable that the education system adapts accordingly.

Morning Biff

 

[Engineer54]

Totally agree 100%, what if you don't though? you are an experience engineer taught properly, the lads today never get shown it and when they come across it they have no idea how to handle it.

Quite agree.

It's still quite common on petro-chem installs, vintage church installs, most prestige projects, especially public buildings, will among other things use MICC for fire alarms etc

We use MICC for all our fire alarm systems as well as in designated hazardous zones such as gas and some pharmaceutical storage areas... and it's a treat to see the multiples of cable runs back to the Master and slave panels etc dressed and fixed perfectly on cable trays.

 

[Pete999]

My first day at work 1962 polishing a great big bank of non sheathed MICCs with a brillo pad

 

[Patto]

They showed us pyro briefly on my level 2 2330 we made one pot off and that was it, I work on petrol stations and our sites have it everywere, im not experienced in it but have made a fair few ends off and I actually enjoy it :-S

 

[ipf]

They showed us pyro briefly on my level 2 2330 we made one pot off and that was it, I work on petrol stations and our sites have it everywere, im not experienced in it but have made a fair few ends off and I actually enjoy it :-S

Try making 20odd off into a control panel with 3 metre tails and only black neoprene. A bit time consuming to say the least but certainly looked the business.

 

[silverfox1]

In the 80s did office refurb middle of Mayfair where every circuit power, lighting & Fire alarm wired in pyro, something to do with fire regs in that area of London at the time we were told. I personally like working with it, have worked on many fire alarms using pyro over the years but it does take time to get it looking good hence more reason not to use it in this basket T+E crash it in era of electrical installation.

 

[Engineer54]

Try making 20odd off into a control panel with 3 metre tails and only black neoprene. A bit time consuming to say the least but certainly looked the business.

Some of our panels have in excess of 20 MICC cables entering, but generally only with 1 metre tails, or 30cm tails, where they terminate to a common termination rail, to connect to factory panel wiring!! Apart from looking the business, a professionally installed MICC wiring system will also be the dog's whatsit's, and outperform and outlast any other building wiring system!!

 

[ipf]

Some of our panels have in excess of 20 MICC cables entering, but generally only with 1 metre tails, or 30cm tails, where they terminate to a common termination rail, to connect to factory panel wiring!! Apart from looking the business, a professionally installed MICC wiring system will also be the dog's whatsit's, and outperform and outlast any other building wiring system!!

Totally agree...in the 70's and 80's the common termination rail could well be at the base of the panel, though, the manufacturers very rarely took the installers into consideration. I'm saying 20odd cables, that could, on occasions, be nearer the 50 mark.

 

[UNG]

think about that for a minute.
every trainee spark in the country has to be trained in a skill thats only used with any regularity in the petro-chem sector , which 99.9% of sparks will never operate in anyway.
not really a productive use of classroom time if were being perfectly honest.

There are plenty of buildings not in the petro-chem sector that have pyro installed

Judging by the the number of questions on here there is a need for some basic knowledge of the wiring system during training as you can't be safe on site without a knowledge and understanding of the wiring systems you may come across during your normal work activity and yes I know of a few domestic properties wired in pyro before PVC t&e was even thought about

IMO FP is and will always be an inferior cable to pyro and should not be used as a replacement for perfectly serviceable pyro just because of a lack of knowledge and ability of the person working on the wiring system

our industry constantly moves forward with new methods and products and its only reasonable that the education system adapts accordingly.

I along with many others of a certain age were trained on a lot of things that were no longer or little used the fact that we may come across these in the normal course of work it was considered reasonable to have a knowledge of them I don't see why that should be any different now. Is ripping a pyro out and replacing it with a piece of FP really acceptable without understanding the fundamental differences. By the education system adapting assume you are referring to all these "specialist" courses that are now the norm to supplement the poor base training that has evolved from the money grabbing system that has been introduced to the industry it's becoming like the boy scout / girl guide badge system do a bit more training, take another exam or pass an assessment and you get another badge or sticker to remind you how good you are not

 

[Guest55]

no point taking issue with my post , thats just the way things are.
i suggest you vent your frustrations towards the education system and project designers in general.

 

[7029 dave]

Soon MICC will be a specialist's department, I can picture it now, a specialist company advertising for sparks over 50 capable of repairing/installing MI must have own MI tools and a pyro straightener will be an advantage, must not be allergic to powder lol

And I gave my micc tools away!! lol

 

[7029 dave]

Originally Posted by biff55 our industry constantly moves forward with new methods and products and its only reasonable that the education system adapts accordingly That's a fair point Biff, I must vess up never worked with fp. Yeah an fp virgin lol.

 

[UNG]

Originally Posted by biff55 our industry constantly moves forward with new methods and products and its only reasonable that the education system adapts accordingly That's a fair point Biff, I must vess up never worked with fp. Yeah an fp virgin lol.

Lucky you it's a very poor substitute for Pyro and very rarely installed properly on fire alarm systems

 

[7029 dave]

Lucky you it's a very poor substitute for Pyro and very rarely installed properly on fire alarm systems

Is it screened cable?.

 

[iamelectric]

Have a board to change tomorrow with old pyro entering top and bottom of board, I've heard some guys saying they can split , what do they mean and any tips just. Thanks.

how did you get on?

 

[Guest55]

Is it screened cable?.

fp200 is an excellent cable in its own right once everyone stops complaining / comparing it to pyro.
its rigid yet plyable due to a thin aluminium screen making it neat to clip.
has a fire retardant rating of at least 30+ mins
has xlpe insulation giving it a 90 deg temp rating.
weatherproof so suitable for outdoor use.
requires no special tools or fittings to terminate.
can be used for general lighting , power and alarms.
a fraction of the price of micc
whats not to like.

 

[ipf]

FP...good stuff in correct situations. Came across a floodlight system on top of a factory clipped in the stuff. Discoloured and a quite warped due to sun damage....a bit surprised at the time, really. Not bothered though, rewired it in swa...nice little job, in summer.

ps. no way they'd have paid for MICC...shame really.

 

[guest119]

Insurance companies will generally spec Pyro for thatched roof properties.

Boydy

 

[guest119]

And I gave my micc tools away!! lol

Do you remember how to make a T Bar stripper?

Boydy