Using Type D MCB for discrimination

[Michaelwgroves]

Look at Eaton Excel distribution fuse board.

Edit: link Exel distribution fuseboards – Eaton UK – Power Distribution - http://www.eaton.uk.com/EatonUK/ProductsSolutions/Electrical/ProductsServices/PowerDistributionMonitoring/LVS/IndustrialSwitchandFusegear/Exel-DistributionFuseboards/index.htm

Again not amendment 3 compliant

 

[Michaelwgroves]

Are they 10mm or bigger?

Is what 10mm ?

 

[Leesparkykent]

Again not amendment 3 compliant

What do you mean not amendment 3 compliant? It's a metal enclosure, with metal door, metal hinges and metal catches....what else do you want? You just choose what catch/lock you want when you order it? Same with the Ryefield that Buzz linked to earlier.

 

[Rocboni]

Is what 10mm ?

The supplies.

Can't see the point of spending money on a DB with straight through links, the Henley block could be sat ontop of the steel trunking which is slotted to accept the enclosed tails would look tidy enough.

 

[Michaelwgroves]

The supplies.

Can't see the point of spending money on a DB with straight through links, the Henley block could be sat ontop of the steel trunking which is slotted to accept the enclosed tails would look tidy enough.

Supply is 25mm,

Agreed Henley would achieve exactly the same, I just think DB would look more like it was designed that way from outset. Henley just looks like an after thought.
But I agree getting 5 no. SWA into DB might be a struggle, I'll need to consider bigger board if I go this route.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Bus bar chamber and switch fuses...it's fit for purpose and designed for the job. Out of meter into a 100A switch disconnector, into bus bar chamber, length of trunking slotted sat on top with paxolin between, bush switch fuses on to trunking, link bus bar chamber and switch fuses with singles in the trunking, gland SWA's into the switch fuses...Job done.

 

[Michaelwgroves]

What do you mean not amendment 3 compliant? It's a metal enclosure, with metal door, metal hinges and metal catches....what else do you want? You just choose what catch/lock you want when you order it? Same with the Ryefield that Buzz linked to earlier.

Door needs to remain closed when not in use so needs to be top hung. A lock is not sufficient apparently! Had this conversation with Hager today.
Seems crazy to me, but they are the regs as I understand them.

 

[davesparks]

Again not amendment 3 compliant

How on earth can you say that’s not amendment 3 compliant? It’s a proper metal clad industrial fuseboard with a sealed, screwed shut door, they contain fires much better than the thin little ‘domestic’ boards!

 

[Leesparkykent]

Door needs to remain closed when not in use so needs to be top hung. A lock is not sufficient apparently! Had this conversation with Hager today.
Seems crazy to me, but they are the regs as I understand them.

Well you've understood wrong then. There is no regulation stating door must be top hung and whoever told you such is talking out their arse.

 

[Michaelwgroves]

Bus bar chamber and switch fuses...it's fit for purpose and designed for the job. Out of meter into a 100A switch disconnector, into bus bar chamber, length of trunking slotted sat on top with paxolin between, bush switch fuses on to trunking, link bus bar chamber and switch fuses with singles in the trunking, gland SWA's into te switch fuses...Job done.

Much better solution, I like it.

 

[Michaelwgroves]

Well you've understood wrong then. There is no regulation stating door must be top hung and whoever told you such is talking out their arse.

The door must be self closing, that's the important bit.

 

[davesparks]

Door needs to remain closed when not in use so needs to be top hung. A lock is not sufficient apparently! Had this conversation with Hager today.
Seems crazy to me, but they are the regs as I understand them.

Well it constantly in use as the electricity will always be flowing through it whilst the installation is live!
Show me where in the regulations it says it must be top hung? And if that’s the case then what about the ‘amd3 cu’s’ that don’t have a self closing lid??

If it’s that much of an issue to you then get a busbar and switchfuse setup, square d do a modular busbar chamber with space for 6 switchfuses which come with pre-manufactured connecting links.

 

[Ian1981]

The door must be self closing, that's the important bit.

You better tell Schneider that their eazy 9 consumer units don’t comply then.

 

[davesparks]

The door must be self closing, that's the important bit.

So mount the excel board sideways!

 

[Leesparkykent]

The door must be self closing, that's the important bit.

Explain this then? BG consumer unit.

 

[Rocboni]

Much better solution, I like it.

You said this was overkill on another thread. It is the best solution, and a "no brainer"

 

[Michaelwgroves]

I think the evidence is overwhelming, I agree what I was told today must be incorrect........

 

[Ian1981]

I think the evidence is overwhelming, I agree what I was told today must be incorrect........

Have a look on YouTube for hagers amendment 3 myth breakers regarding metal consumer units.
Whether the lid debate is on there , I can’t remember but worth a watch anyway.

 

[Octopus]

I think the evidence is overwhelming, I agree what I was told today must be incorrect........

But there will be muppets going around saying its the "law"

 

[Michaelwgroves]

You said this was overkill on another thread. It is the best solution, and a "no brainer"

I can't find that statement, but I have no problem doing a public U-turn when evidence proves my previous thoughts were wrong.

 

[buzzlightyear]

AD3 says about contentment of fire .not which way the front door flap is up or down or side to side.
just think the mcbs are made of plastic .

 

[westward10]

I agree that some type of fuse arrangement is the best option but is the supply not single phase? I have never seen an SP&N busbar chamber.

 

[Leesparkykent]

I agree that some type of fuse arrangement is the best option but is the supply not single phase? I have never seen an SP&N busbar chamber.

No props using a TPN one though.

 

[westward10]

No props using a TPN one though.

I agree but it is a big out lay when a main switch and service terminal blocks through to switch-fuses will serve the purpose.

 

[DPG]

AD3 says about contentment of fire .not which way the front door flap is up or down or side to side.
just think the mcbs are made of plastic .

That's why the access door is metal though.

 

[Rocboni]

I agree but it is a big out lay when a main switch and service terminal blocks through to switch-fuses will serve the purpose.

This was my thoughts, dual 6 way block, trunking and switch fuses to DP isolator £300 busbar chamber will double that.

 

[Leesparkykent]

I agree but it is a big out lay when a main switch and service terminal blocks through to switch-fuses will serve the purpose.

I agree with the OP though that on a new install, service terminal blocks (or Henley/Isco blocks that you love them being called) look like shyt. If I could hide them in the trunking then might consider it but if not I'd rather weigh out on a busbar chamber. Could pick up a 100A one up for about £180...in the grand scheme of things I don't think it's that much when rewiring a big HMO.

 

[Michaelwgroves]

I agree that some type of fuse arrangement is the best option but is the supply not single phase? I have never seen an SP&N busbar chamber.

5 Way 125A SP+N Metalclad Distribution Board with Incomer | CEF - http://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/1400074-5-way-125a-sp-n-switch-disconnector-metalclad-consumer-unit

 

[westward10]

5 Way 125A SP+N Metalclad Distribution Board with Incomer | CEF - http://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/1400074-5-way-125a-sp-n-switch-disconnector-metalclad-consumer-unit

Good luck getting five 16.0 or 25.0 swa cables into that.

 

[ipf]

Bus bar chamber and switch fuses...it's fit for purpose and designed for the job. Out of meter into a 100A switch disconnector, into bus bar chamber, length of trunking slotted sat on top with paxolin between, bush switch fuses on to trunking, link bus bar chamber and switch fuses with singles in the trunking, gland SWA's into the switch fuses...Job done.

I think we've been here before