Ah see what you are getting at, could that be an emergency fitting
As Pete said is it an em light, seen lots of modular fittings with em packs which have been given dual supplies.
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Barry White
The emergency ones are usually coloured red and basicaly are a plug and socket used to isolate the supply. thats the male end it should never be live once unplugged. It is like putting a standard 13A plug on to a live cable so if anyone touches the pins they recieve a shock.
basically its a ceiling rose that you can unplug the light from.
They normally are red but I have seen modular fittings connected across two circuits, one for the charge supply the other for the normal supply.
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Barry White
I have seen allsorts connected up incorrectly and thats what you have seen then that is if they go to one lamp
It's been signed off by an Niceic member, so must comply to standards, so should be safe to work on.
This could be their normal standard of work & the same may exist in another building.
Somebody must be accountable.
Plugs & sockets, are listed as methods of safe Isolation.
I go to isolate & find live ends that can be touched, which could easily of come into contact with the ceiling grid.
I could if been thrown off my ladder, injured & electrocuted.
Very close to a Reportable Incident under Riddor, ie legally obliged to report to the HSE!
This could be their normal standard of work & the same may exist in another building.
Somebody must be accountable.
Plugs & sockets, are listed as methods of safe Isolation.
I go to isolate & find live ends that can be touched, which could easily of come into contact with the ceiling grid.
I could if been thrown off my ladder, injured & electrocuted.
Very close to a Reportable Incident under Riddor, ie legally obliged to report to the HSE!
Bit like metal CUs, lighting circuits seem to blow people's minds. Had a similar incident a few years back now when doing PAT, the manager of the shop had linked two banks of sockets together at the counter using a flex with a plug at both ends. Yep I got a belt and the manager nearly did, you were lucky.
If you have 239Volts lingering around it can't be safe to work on, isolate all supplies, if it is an EM fitting and has been wired as some suggest, then it could be thats how it was wired in the first place, if what you say is true and it has been passed by NICEIC, then look no further.Remember dangerous occurrences have to be specified under RIDDOR
I had the same thing when we had to PA test a load of stuff at the German Market in Birmingham they had put a European plug on both end of a flex to power some 4 way power blocks , I smashed half the display trying to let go of it !!!
Put as many measures in as you like but there is no accounting for other people's actions.
As an edit point which I missed on the above post, the OP says he thinks it should be reported to the HSE, he has to be praised for finding this anomaly, but again the HSE are hardly going to act as in this case there were no injuries, however if the OP was injured (God forbid) the first thing the HSE would ask is was safe isolation of all supplies carried out? if the answer was a no then it would be th OP's fault for not checking. They don't take mistakes in safety practices, take it from me,I know what its like to be on the wrong end of one of their investigations.
I don't understand what you mean by that. The measures put in place should have been installing to BS7671. This has clearly not been done and the installation left in a dangerous state with regard to maintenance.
Or are you saying ....... you can write as many rules in the regs as you like, but there's always some numpty working under a NICEIC banner waiting to put peoples lives at risk ?
It is a tricky one because you wouldn't expect the plug to be live, never assume anything I suppose.
The latter, the numpty who decided to power up a second bank of sockets using a flex with a plug on either end who wasn't a spark at all, the manager of the shop saving some money, you know "oh I can do that".
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I don't really get this post. It is quite long winded now and I admit I have not studied it in anything other than a quick read through, however are we not forgetting some basic principals here? Lighting circuits, are responsible for killing more "electricians" than any other, apparently. Not sure where I read that but I can well believe it. I have witnessed in my time some unbelievably stupid setups done by previous "sparks" and DIY folks alike. Personally, if someone put a down-lighter in front of me now on my sofa I would look at it and think "i'll test that before I grab hold of it". I realise some plonka has probably done something really stupid that is worth reporting, but at the end of the day don't grab hold if it until you know its safe. I am always VERY wary of anything to do with lighting or lighting circuits, just a tip.
I think few people, if any pull a plug and think "ooh I wonder if the pins are live".
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Barry White
If that is the case, it will be the Fall to the ground that caused the death.
And probably caused by completing a broken neutral path as well.
It's not far to fall if you're working on a socket or control panel.
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Barry White
Good job the tubes had not gone then. I have been working on lights for the last few days all on clix and obviously up at height each light is on its own clix but I have seen them daisy chained in the past.
Is it for real voltage ?
Or a phantom or induced voltage ?
High input impedance testers can give eronious readings.
I would test it with a low impedance volt meter (analogue)
To be sure it really is live ?
Or a phantom or induced voltage ?
High input impedance testers can give eronious readings.
I would test it with a low impedance volt meter (analogue)
To be sure it really is live ?
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